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o_O.Q said:
Chris Hu said:

Nope Iike said before it was single party Socialistic Republic with a central government and state captialism.

state capitalism is just as much of an oxymoron as anarcho communist

 

if the means of production are controlled by the state then the state is communist in nature, capitalism is when the means of production are owed privately... what are they teaching you guys in school? lol

The state isn't communist in nature, communism is stateless, so it goes perfectly well with anarchism.



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Donutsticks said:
FIT_Gamer said:

Even Robert E. Lee himself didn't not want Confederate monuments put up after the war. They have no place being here. 

Lets see a link showing that Robert E. Lee said this.

"As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated; my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the Country, would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment; & of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour."

http://time.com/4903671/charlottesville-robert-lee-confederate-monuments-history/



FIT_Gamer said:
Donutsticks said:

Lets see a link showing that Robert E. Lee said this.

"As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated; my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the Country, would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment; & of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour."

http://time.com/4903671/charlottesville-robert-lee-confederate-monuments-history/

Thank you FIT_Gamer. I was wondering where you  were getting that from.



CGI-Quality said:
Donutsticks said:
SpokenTruth, do you even live in the south? If you don't then maybe it's not your place to decide what appropriate for the people that do?

With this thinking, people from Europe shouldn't be in these topics discussing the core of America's situation regarding politics, race, or religion. In reality, however, it doesn't take a Southern American to discuss real issues that may take place in the South. So every voice matters.

Sure CGI-Quality, everybody can have an opinion. But not everybody gets to be part of the decision process.  The laws in America allow the individual states to decide. So my statement stands.



Donutsticks said:
CGI-Quality said:

With this thinking, people from Europe shouldn't be in these topics discussing the core of America's situation regarding politics, race, or religion. In reality, however, it doesn't take a Southern American to discuss real issues that may take place in the South. So every voice matters.

Sure CGI-Quality, everybody can have an opinion. But not everybody gets to be part of the decision process.  The laws in America allow the individual states to decide. So my statement stands.

So, should we just stay silent then? Why would we do that?



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VGPolyglot said:
Donutsticks said:

Sure CGI-Quality, everybody can have an opinion. But not everybody gets to be part of the decision process.  The laws in America allow the individual states to decide. So my statement stands.

So, should we just stay silent then? Why would we do that?

Nah man, talk all you want. Not sure if the opinion of  somebody from a foreign has any influence on the state level though.  After all the United States isn't a Globalist country.



Donutsticks said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, should we just stay silent then? Why would we do that?

Nah man, talk all you want. Not sure if the opinion of  somebody from a foreign has any influence on the state level though.  After all the United States isn't a Globalist country.

The US has more military bases abroad than any other country, and has the most trade of any state in the world, so they are pretty global They have territories across other continents, too.



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

state capitalism is just as much of an oxymoron as anarcho communist

 

if the means of production are controlled by the state then the state is communist in nature, capitalism is when the means of production are owed privately... what are they teaching you guys in school? lol

The state isn't communist in nature, communism is stateless, so it goes perfectly well with anarchism.

and stateless communism can't exist as chris hu conceded because as i asked you before and you refused to answer - what will stop people from gathering resources at different rates if there is no state control?

 

when i asked you that before you refused to answer... maybe you want to take a crack at that right now?

 

do you believe people are brainless drones like bees or ants or something? i'm not really getting how you can seriously believe that stateless communism is a thing

 

"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."

 

that's the first definition i found... can you explain for me who regulates how property is doled out? who regulates how people are paid? 

 

you claim to be an advocate for this idea and you've never thought about how it would work?



o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

The state isn't communist in nature, communism is stateless, so it goes perfectly well with anarchism.

and stateless communism can't exist as chris hu conceded because as i asked you before and you refused to answer - what will stop people from gathering resources at different rates if there is no state control?

 

when i asked you that before you refused to answer... maybe you want to take a crack at that right now?

 

do you believe people are brainless drones like bees or ants or something? i'm not really getting how you can seriously believe that stateless communism is a thing

 

"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."

 

that's the first definition i found... can you explain for me who regulates how property is doled out? who regulates how people are paid? 

 

you claim to be an advocate for this idea and you've never thought about how it would work?

Yes, I've thought about how it'd work, but trust me, you're far from the first to question me on it. I don't even understand your question? What will stop people from gathering resources at different rates? Of course they'll be done at different rates, that's why it says they work and pay according to their abilities and needs.



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

and stateless communism can't exist as chris hu conceded because as i asked you before and you refused to answer - what will stop people from gathering resources at different rates if there is no state control?

 

when i asked you that before you refused to answer... maybe you want to take a crack at that right now?

 

do you believe people are brainless drones like bees or ants or something? i'm not really getting how you can seriously believe that stateless communism is a thing

 

"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."

 

that's the first definition i found... can you explain for me who regulates how property is doled out? who regulates how people are paid? 

 

you claim to be an advocate for this idea and you've never thought about how it would work?

Yes, I've thought about how it'd work, but trust me, you're far from the first to question me on it. I don't even understand your question? What will stop people from gathering resources at different rates? Of course they'll be done at different rates, that's why it says they work and pay according to their abilities and needs.

if people gather resources at different rates and there is no external control or coersion from government, what stops them from ascending above the other people in the communist society that for whatever reason are weaker and cannot gather resources?