So then what makes the report he offered "no validation" and "BS" while the report you offered is a "fact"?
Maybe use some logic and common sense ..... while reading the entire post ....
uh huh....so how about some specific arguments and couterpoints to the data shown in the linked report? Talk to me like I don't read minds and can't just use your brain to read everything. I suggest using numbers, math, maybe citing counter studies showing that these apparent wage gaps are an artifact of other factors not being accounted for in the original study. Seriously, just put some minimal fucking effort into this. Don't you see what a troll you look like if you ask people to give you citations, they do, and you just write them all off without giving specifics?
Here, you try to give me some specific studies that you think back up your point and I'll show you how assinine it is if someone throws them out without reading them and without any specifics on what's wrong with them.
Have an All Black college, I could care less prsonally, just dont piss in my cereal when I decide its ok to have an all white college as well and try and call me a racist. I am far from racist, the sheer lack of understanding in the meaning of equality is why we have the issues we have today. Equal is equal, not you get to do this and they dont to help make it equal, difference is not equal.
I have just made the point several times that these aren't all black colleges. You keep bringing it back to the point that it's an all black college when anyone can attend. Have you been to college? Why keep spiting the notion of the historically black college with creating whites only colleges? When the purpose of these institutions aren't to keep white people from attending them? I take it because you're not totally a racist like you say.
My god, you sure do miss a ton of points. I didnt say it was an all black college, I said go ahead and have them because I could care less. At one point it was an all black college. If you seriously think programs that are designed for a specific race arent racist then you are blind.
CGI-Quality said: Guys, it has now gotten a bit out of hand. I get that the subject matter is sensitive, but please try to keep civility at the forefront of the discussions! :)
This entire thread is mostly garbage with people trying to make this attack not as bad by mentioning 'black thugs' who hold no relevance to the attack.
Many of these people were fine with politics on here when it was always about refugees and muslims, but have a few events about altright nutters and suddenly everyone feels the need to criticize the left to act 'neutral'.
Not really sure if there's any point to locking this thread, but I guess the issue with toxic behaviour and political threads shines in these types of threads
all i can say is that i hope your ignorance as to the violence antifa is causing is not willful
also... if what they are doing is so noble, then why do they consistently obscure their faces with masks and move in gangs? can you explain that behavior to me?
I've already stated I do not condone the violence. But one side is largely the result of the violence perpetuated by the other. There is just violent because they hate certain groups of people. As for masks and group movement? Good questions. I don't support their use of masks. Group movement is common in any movement.
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so basically you are supporting people harming people to stop people from being harmed?
No. I support the defence of those that need defending.
"one side is largely the result of the violence perpetuated by the other."
i don't buy that, i think many of them are just looking for an excuse to be violent and destructive and it is reflected not just in their actions but in their attire as i pointed out before... just like the white supremacists use race as their excuse
"There is just violent because they hate certain groups of people. "
i can agree with that
"I don't support their use of masks. Group movement is common in any movement."
i didn't ask if you support their use of masks, i asked you why would any movement resort to using such attire and also routinely carrying around weapons if their cause was noble?
i mention their movement in gangs because it also indicates what the true intentions for many of them are
"I've already stated I do not condone the violence"
then how can you support antifa? have you not seen what they have been doing?
The sad thing is, it's only going to get worse. As these wild mobs of antifa attack anybody with a conservative opinion it will only serve to radicalize more people towards racial hatred. If the world hates racist it need only look towards antifa for creating this situation as of late. Personally i believe Antifa is as vile as any racist group.
only in the USA can Nazis have the rights to march and protest on the streets. Anywhere in Europe they go straight to jail. right?
Not sure about that, but in regards to the nazi salute, wikipedia says this: "Use of this salute is a criminal offensein Germany,[3]Slovakia,[3]and Austria.[3]In Canada, the Czech Republic,[4]France, the Netherlands, Sweden,[3]Switzerland, and Russia, the salute is illegalhate speechif used for propagating Nazi ideology."
I just find it so damn disrespectful that WW2 veterans have to witness this in the US.
I don't see anything wrong with that image. I can't determine who started to fight.
That you see nothing wrong with white supremacists/kkk/nazis surrounding school kids with torches is disturbing. And I wonder who started it. The ones holding the torches, or the school kids standing by the statue.
And I haven't heard that they shouted anything illegal. They had a permit to hold that protest in front of that statue of some Civil War era political figure.
I didn't say they shouted anything illegal.
You said:"But there's no excuse for driving a car into what witnesses described as a group of peaceful protesters." I agree, there aren't and I didn't excuse this subhuman's behaviour in any way.
When you mention the murder and murder attempts in the same context as the the other fights the way you did, it undermines the severity of the murder, as it sound like both sides were equaly deplorable on that particular day, so its a wash. It's fine to condemn the other violence as well, just distinguish it from the murder because that's on a different level. This is what Trump didn't do until 3 days later, which made decent people upset (both left and right), and white supremacists/kkk/nazis happy. (See image below)
You claim that Richard Spencer "says Sieg Heil". I have never heard him do that. Aren't you just making it up now? Source please.
He said "Hail victory" which literally means "Seig Heil" in German.
No, I do not know what sort of songs Jimmie sang in 2009. If it was by Ultima Thule then I don't have a problem with it.
I didn't see Ultima Thule on the list. And from what I understand Ultima Thule stopped conveying white supremacist messages in their songs many years ago. It wasn't just Jimmie but also the chairman of the Youth SVD as well. It was a number of songs from different bands. Some were tame. A few others were not. Such as a Nazi fight song.
I don't care who founded Sverigedemokraterna because they've been radically reformed since the beginning. I've supported them in elections since 2002.
When we're talking about a party that supported racial genocide, you probably should care about why they didn't start a new party, rather than keeping the same one. And there's only one reason for that. Because they also want support from racists, nazis, etc, on top of support from people who are not racist, or those who are not aware of the origin of the party.
I never said neither Heil Trump or Heil Hitler on these forums, I said "Heil, mein Führer" as a joke.
Fair enough. But that might not be an appropriate joke when you say you sympathise with some people in the alt-right. Because neo nazis feel empowered and supported by Trump.
Okay, some confusion about parties there, but okay. So we both have a problem with right groups like nazis and the KKK promoting violence and also when some extreme leftists like Antifa promote violence. Very good.
I really hope you do and that you're not just saying that. But iirc, you voiced your support of the masked mobs in Stockholm who beat up homeless illegal immigrants around the train station. I understand that some of them may have "deserved it" as they may have enacted violence towards others in the past, but when mobs attack people at random like that it will inevitably hurt the innocent as well.
About "Hail victory", it's not regarded as the same thing as "Sieg Heil", but a few guys in the crowd reacted to Richard Spencer saying it by making the Roman salute at one infamous meating. To me it wasn't the end of the world. But media made a laughably big deal out of it.
So those five to seven people who "reciprocated with a nazi salute" are not decent human beings. Big deal. I don't judge a whole movement based on a silly act commited by less than ten fringe individuals.
Oh please. There's no reason you would pick the exact literal translation of "Sieg Heil" unless that's what you're referencing. Especially in the exact same context as it was famously used by the original Nazis. He's hailing victory, and their leader (Trump). Just like the Germans did. In 1940's Germany it would be "Heil Hitler" and "Sieg Heil". That is absolutely not a coincidence. Any decent human being would make a conscious effort to not use the exact literal translation of the same hails the german Nazis did to their leader. Richard Spencer knows exactly what he was doing. And so do you.
The people doing nazi salutes are not the only deplorable people in the room. So is he for clearly innciting it, and then not telling any of them to stop.
i wonder if you are as critical of the leftists like antifa who carry the hammer and sickle around
again this is not to minimise the problem of nazi symbolism but i think if you are talking about harmful symbology then a wider perspective of the situation is needed
this is an aside but i mean i just can't wrap my head around it... you have people who feel so strongly about nazi symbolism at the same time carrying around a symbol that represented a regime that was arguably just as bad or worst than the nazi regime
...then again its the same people that think anarchism and communism are similar concepts... so i guess its to be expected
i wonder if you are as critical of the leftists like antifa who carry the hammer and sickle around
again this is not to minimise the problem of nazi symbolism but i think if you are talking about harmful symbology then a wider perspective of the situation is needed
this is an aside but i mean i just can't wrap my head around it... you have people who feel so strongly about nazi symbolism at the same time carrying around a symbol that represented a regime that was arguably just as bad or worst than the nazi regime
...then again its the same people that think anarchism and communism are similar concepts... so i guess its to be expected
Lets not quantify the level of criticism, because then it becomes a question of who has done more harm. Nazis certainly have a more bloody history, and a few days ago that held true as well.
But I do think Antifa are a deplorable group. They clearly promote violence and hate, and that's only going to make things worse. And they seem to be anarchists in my eyes.
"Nazis certainly have a more bloody history"
uh... i'm not so sure about that... as far as i know millions died in the soviet union just like in the nazi regime, its just that for whatever reason we don't hear as much about that
"they seem to be anarchists in my eyes."
they are not anarchists, sure they want to destroy some of the limitations society places on people with regards to gender expression for example
but along with that they also want to put even more restrictions of a different nature on society
such as the taking away rights to private property and forcing everyone to adopt a one class system ( which they aren't sensible enough to realise would have to be a two class system )
the reason for that is the underying philosophy that motivates them is utopianism and equality of outcomes which obviously is only possible under a rigidly controlled society ( since stamping out individuality is the only way to achieve such a society )
People need to wake up and see what is happening here. Trump immediately condemned the hatred and bigotry behind the death of this woman moments after the event happened. The media then attempted to accuse Trump of supporting this atrocity because he didn't use the specific words "white supremacy" in his condemnation of the event. Trump then clarified himself in a second press conference where specifically condemned "racism" (in case there was any doubt) and the media is still accusing him of somehow supporting it. The media are filthy liars for doing this, but I want people to see the bigger picture here:
Has anybody considered that Antifa, the white supremacists and the MSM may be controlled by the same puppet masters who are ultimately trying to start a race war in America? We have one group (Antifa) who proclaims hatred towards white people and who carry out violent acts against anybody who supports American patriotism (this group has deep ties with George Soros and mega foundation funding). We have a second group (white supremacists) who claim to represent those who support Trump and who just committed utter brutality towards 20+ innocent people essentially using Trump's name. Finally we have the MSM who, even after Trump clearly and absolutely denounces the hatred and bigotry espoused by the extreme right, continues to insist that he is somehow a supporter of white supremacists.
This is how you bring down nations: by playing two sides off of each other like this. I guarantee that there is big money behind this and American's have to be smart enough to see the forces in the shadows that are at work here. Just like Trump has said: we all bleed the same red blood regardless of our skin color and it is crucial that American's come together in the wake of this. The real enemy here is the mainstream media (CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, etc...) who are literally trying to start a race war in the wake of this tragedy and who are controlled by some of the richest scum on the planet. You can make a difference here by doing the following:
1) Don't buy into stupid tribalism regardless of what side of the political spectrum you are on and keep trying to find good in the people whom you dislike. Just like on Star Trek, the only way we will ever be able to advance as a society is if we unite as one and allow our differences to become our strengths. Being a Trump supporter does not make you a criminal, nor does being a Hillary supporter and the vast majority of both of these groups are neither communists nor white supremacists. No matter how hard, we have to keep trying to find common ground with each other, allowing ourselves to be split up into warring groups only sends us back into a dark age which will end up benefiting only a very small group of elites at the top.
2) Stop listening to any media that is controlled by a corporation and resolve to only listen to independent media and bloggers whose funding is made very clear. The MSM is fanning the flames of race war and you cannot trust anything that they say at this point. The MSM is very dangerous right now and they are largely controlled by foreign multinational elites who want to rule over people, not lead them. I promise you, regardless of your political views the MSM is not on your side.
