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Aeolus451 on 13 August 2017
Soundwave said:
Aeolus451 said:

Dems have been using illegals to fluff the votes for years. It's the only reason to make it so people don't have to show IDs to vote. You can brag all you want about popular vote but 12+ mil is alot of fluff.

I'm not a progressive or a white supremacist (any sort of supremacist). Only people like that would frame something like you just did. I don't care about the same shit either does. I don't care about political correctness or trying to protect one race. All I care about is what is beneficial to americans overall.  You're pretty arrogant to think that dems got it made. That's how you guys lost against trump and lost all of congress. The right is adapting to the times. 

You live in a multi-ethnic society, probably the largest most multi-ethnic major country in the world. You can deny that and become bitter and angry about it or embrace it. 

Trump winning one election doesn't change anything. I simply stated demographic statistics. 

What lunacy are yapping about this time? Stop trying to get me to defend a stance I don't have. I'm fine with a multi-ethnic country because I'm racially mixed so stop acting like an ideologue. 



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Aeolus451 on 13 August 2017
FIT_Gamer said:
outlawauron said:

uhhhh, what?! This isn't close to true. Here, take a look.

They even organize it by type.

Wikipedia? Really? You do realize anyone can change the info there? 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-us-has-a-homegrown-terrorist-problem--and-its-coming-from-the-right/2017/05/26/10d88bba-4197-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.f0c028ab0d15

and another one...

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/31/the-numbers-dont-lie-white-far-right-terrorists-pose-a-clear-danger-to-us-all/

 

FIT_Gamer said:
Slimebeast said:
The left is gonna milk this to no end and take advantage of the fact that for once in a very long while it was a white nationalist guy who commited a deadly terrorist act.

So many people are already indirectly accusing everyone at the rally for being responsible for the death by this car attack, which is nasty and dishonest and extremely hypocritical.

Once and while? lol It happens multiple times a year. Bat shit crazy white right wingers make up 73% of the terror incidents we've had in this country of over the last 16 years. Media generally just won't call it terrorism. 

The sources you posted are not credible/pure bullshit. One is a far left propaganda site. If you looked at the articles there, it's obvious. The other one is conflates a bunch of things like assaults as hate crimes/terrorist attacks, sovereign citizens and white supremacists as right-wing terrorists. ugh.... Let's flip this scenario around to prove how misleading this is.

If you want to play this little game of fluffing numbers, let's add in every attack (physical altercation/property  damage) by antifa/blm (left-wing extremists) as hate crimes and later call those terrorist attacks by left-wing extremists. 



o_O.Q on 13 August 2017
Soundwave said:
o_O.Q said:

 

"He was going to do the whole "all sides/both sides" thing "

are you denying that both sides need to be condemned? so all of the people that the violent protestors on the left have injured and maimed mean absolutely nothing to you?

talk about letting tribalism cause you to lose objectivity, good grief

I think the "both sides" equivalency is gross. There is no "both sides" here as if they're some equal side of a coin. One side is fighting (a lost battle) for racial supremacy. The other side is protesting against their bigotry. 

White supremasists are pieces of shit who's sad, pathetic version of America will never come back unless they invent a time machine, which they lack the I.Q. to develop in the first place. 

This isn't some debate where it's like "OK black people why don't you try being slaves again or honestly make an honest effort to pretend like it's 1950 again and Latinos have you tried not existing maybe ... who knows maybe you'll like it and in exchange white supremasists will try wearing Air Jordans and not being so mean! There! See! Both sides get something! Isn't this so much better than arguing?". I'm sorry but this isn't two children arguing in the backseat of a car and that whole line of reasoning is disingenous. 

 

"The other side is protesting against their bigotry. "

 

from what i have seen so far, the leftist supporters are just as bigoted and perhaps even more prone to using violence ( in this current setting ) to try to combat their opposition

 

 "OK black people why don't you try being slaves again or honestly make an honest effort to pretend like it's 1950 again"

 

who made this request? seems like you are just straw manning anyone who supports trump now ( and that is not to say that people like this do not exist that support trump, but how common is this? i don't think you have the data since you won't even entertain the idea of hearing their side )

 

secondly even if this is their point of view all we do is circle back around to what i asked before -

 

do you advocate for violence to stop them and if you don't what are you left with?

 

finally i've seen just as many absurd requests on the leftist side -

 

that private proerpty be abolished and various other rights be abolished so society can be "free", that biological sex is just a social construct and needs to go away etc etc etc



o_O.Q on 13 August 2017
VGPolyglot said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

You failed to explain your pov. That makes it very ambiguous, and not being able to explain yourself doesn't make you any favors.

OK, I'll explain my views. Socialism is great. Communism is great. Anarchism is great. Capitalism is bad. Fascism is bad. Nazism is bad. Racism is bad. There

 

communism and anarchism are directly opposed to each other and anarchism directly supports capitalism so... what is going on there?

fascism in the past, generally flourished under communist systems such as the soviet union...



ratuscafoarterea on 13 August 2017
Mar1217 said:
Tulipanzo said:
Seeing a lot of "both sides" here, and would just like to remind everyone that depicting fascist resistance as a bunch of violent criminals is ACTUAL fascist propaganda.

There is absolutely no moral equivalent between fascists and the resistance, because the latter is a direct result of the violence of the former.
If after th, I would be these events you rush to condemn anti-fascist as "just as bad", pardon me if I question your motives.
It seems to me clear which group you'd have been in at Charlottesville.

After all that has been said and done, I think you missed the point people in this position we're trying to make. Nobody will support their obscene behaviours(viloence and hatred). Doesn't matter if you're Antifa or Nazis. I'll condemned both for their acts, not their ideology just because I simply disagree on their morality.

Discussion should have been the way to go, but once again people are not willing to make the effort to discuss each other beliefs  to maybe strike a cognitive dissonance into their minds which can result in a questionning of their own beliefs or simply a better mutual understanding of each other.

But hey, it's so easy to pull the trigger instead ...

ratuscafoarterea said:

Lol ..... you really don't know what you're talking about. First off, I have lived under comunism, I was 15 when Ceausescu died. So I think I know what I’m talking about. Second I have highlighted one thing wrong with your views. You say that you like communism but dislike fascism. That’s nonsense, considering the fact that both ideologies have a lot in common. Both dislike the idea of free speech, freedom of religion expression, both work on a centralized economical system, both work on the idea that the state should decide for the individual.  

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're actually talking about historical communism, which is different than the real communism depicted by Marx.

"Sorry to burst your bubble", but you have no way of telling if VGPolyglot was referring to Marxism, or communism the way it was implemented in the Communist block. Also, I don't see your point, since historically speaking, communism has been proved to be an ideology that will always fail.

 



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ratuscafoarterea on 13 August 2017

double post



Azuren on 13 August 2017
ratuscafoarterea said:
jason1637 said:
Is there solid proof that the guy was a white supremacist?

Yes, the definitive proof is that he drove the car into a crowd full with white people ....

 

I mean, he could have been drunk. Could have dropped a water bottle and was trying to pick it up. Could have been staring at another part of the protest and become distracted. Could have been texting. Could have been suffering normal road rage (as opposed to racist road rage). There's a number of reasons that he could have done this for, and being a sociopathic white supremacist is just one.

 

Could he be a racist? I mean, he probably is. I would be surprised if it was anything but. The fact remains, however, that the media jumped the gun and labeled him as such with nothing but circumstantial evidence. And you can't run around deducing facts from circumstantial evidence.

 

Otherwise an entire industry might prematurely declare a presidential election's winner weeks in advance. *Cough*



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Robert_Downey_Jr. on 13 August 2017
Soundwave said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

I've heard him condem them and anti-semmitic groups already (which it's funny that he got criticism for that considering his son in law and daughter are Jewish).  What's the point in repeating things when his stance is known?  At least he doesn't just push one side like when Obama did the bare minimum of PR when a policeman was shot in a race fueled incident then made it into the biggest deal in the world when one would shoot someone (for the record I think both should be big deals but he clearly favored one story over the other and it caused divisiveness).  Trump is more of less acknowledging there are hate groups and not supporting them. 

He won't say it decisively because it's a voter bloc for him. Don't kid yourself here. 

Every other president, including Republican presidents like Bush and Reagan would have loudly condemned white supremasists with no ambiguity. 

Trump may eventually do it, only because he may eventually be shamed into doing so. In many ways Trump is worse than the racists IMO. 

A racist is usually an idiot who has learned hatred of other people on the basis of skin pigment. 

Trump knowingly manipulates said situation for his own personal gain. Which is of the two is worse? 

well if you say you don't support them I don't understand why we have to state the obvious.  It's like when politicians make a big deal out of supporting the troops or loving america.  Like "ok you all do" I don't need to hear it 20 times it's just redundant and doesn't give me anything new. 

and besides even if he's doing what you say (which isn't how I'm reading it) they gotta vote for someone so you may as well take their votes and then ignore them



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o_O.Q on 13 August 2017
Mar1217 said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

 

 

"Sorry to burst your bubble", but you have no way of telling if VGPolyglot was referring to Marxism, or communism the way it was implemented in the Communist block. Also, I don't see your point, since historically speaking, communism has been proved to be an ideology that will always fail.

 

Well, I'll just have to ask VGP then ;) The way she was portraying it let me guess that she was talking about the true definition of communism (or if you prefer, Marxism).

And historically speaking, true communism has never been accomplished on the scale of a country, that's why we call it historical communism. But on a local scale, it has been sucessful. 

 

and what is "true" communism?



ratuscafoarterea on 13 August 2017
Mar1217 said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

 

 

"Sorry to burst your bubble", but you have no way of telling if VGPolyglot was referring to Marxism, or communism the way it was implemented in the Communist block. Also, I don't see your point, since historically speaking, communism has been proved to be an ideology that will always fail.

 

Well, I'll just have to ask VGP then ;) The way she was portraying it let me guess that she was talking about the true definition of communism (or if you prefer, Marxism).

And historically speaking, true communism has never been accomplished on the scale of a country, that's why we call it historical communism. But on a local scale, it has been sucessful. 

Ok, so , if you don't mind, what do you mean by true comunism and what are you refering when you say "But on a local scale, it has been sucessful. "  ?