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Hiku said:

Trump's week
✓Threatened nuclear war.
✓Threatened Venezuela.
Thanked Putin for expelling US diplomats.
✓"Many sides" after presumed neo-Nazi murder.

Donald Trump condemned “violence on many sides” in Charlottesville, Virginia, which resulted in at least one fatality after a car ran into a crowd of counter-protesters.
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While the perpetrator hasn't been caught, we've only heard of violence from one side during this protest.
Typical disguiusting Trump kissing up to his white supremacist violent fanbase yet again.

I think you’re exaggerating; Russia has every right to expel US diplomats, after Obama did the same. What? You want Trump to push war with Russia?



NATO said:
Soundwave said:

lol, what history books have you been reading?

By all means give one example of a conflict leading to lasting, unbroken peace.

There is never no unbroken peace because human beings are prone to conflict. 

I gave an example of WW2. You think sitting at home and putting one's head under the pillow and letting Hitler take over all of Europe and then trying to engage him in polite chit chat would've settled things? 

Bad people don't go away just because you wish on a unicorn and have a chat with them. 



NATO said:
VGPolyglot said:

So then, shouldn't you be condemning this, instead of just saying that they're a waste of oxygen?

Probably yes, but I am also free to express my opinion that what both sides are doing is a waste of time and that those doing it are a waste of oxygen.
The supremacists for even existing, and the counter-protestors for engaging in conflict with them rather than discourse.

Conflict has never, in the history of humanity, lead to peace, it has only ever bred further conflict either in direct response or planted the seeds for a future resurgence.


It's not like we're in a time of peace. There's conflict. Yeah, I'd like peace, but just being peaceful against a violent opponent is going to result in a loss.



Soundwave said:
o_O.Q said:

so what violent methods are you advocating for to reduce racism?

I'm not advocating for violence, I am saying we live in a violent world. Pretending we don't doesn't make it so. 

We live in 2017, not 2217. And while we have made a lot of progress there is a lot of progress left and will not all be done in our lifetime. Because life doesn't give a fuck about our feelings and operates on its own time table. 

 

so if you aren't advocating violence what are you left with? dialogue right?

you mentioned protests in the previous post... do you really believe that standing in a group and shouting "you are evil!!!!!!!" at somebody is an effective way of changing their views?

progress left towards what btw? an equal utopian society?



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o_O.Q said:
Soundwave said:

I'm not advocating for violence, I am saying we live in a violent world. Pretending we don't doesn't make it so. 

We live in 2017, not 2217. And while we have made a lot of progress there is a lot of progress left and will not all be done in our lifetime. Because life doesn't give a fuck about our feelings and operates on its own time table. 

 

so if you aren't advocating violence what are you left with? dialogue right?

you mentioned protests in the previous post... do you really believe that standing in a group and shouting "you are evil!!!!!!!" at somebody is an effective way of changing their views?

progress left towards what btw? an equal utopian society?

No, I'm all for counter protests. I'm fine with that. Sometimes violence will occur, but that is the nature of heated disputes. I don't celebrate that, but I understand that sometimes it is inevitable. 

The point is again not to change views. It is to demonstrate that there is a larger majority that wants nothing to do with such views and opposes said views. 

Progress always happens. It happens every day. It's partly why "conversative" movement is an oxymoron in itself, the nature of our reality is the world changes every day incrementally and is never the same again. Humanity will obviously evolve, eventually probably into something we today won't even recoginize. But such change is also slow, for a species like us that wants instant results all the time, sometimes the dull snail's pace of change can be frustrating, but that is what it is. 



Soundwave said:
Aeolus451 said:

I'm a right leaning libertarian. I don't like progressives/sjw, antifa types or the very religious "live as I do" right or the white supremacist types.

That's like saying that socialists are a part of democrat's voting bloc. That doesn't make the democrats socialists by association or anything like that. It's same with the white racists voting for some of the right. I don't believe there's alot of either. No one cares about their votes.

There's never been trump style politics before. It's a reaction to progressives in my opinion. Who knows if it die or live in. We can just agree to disagree on what the voter base will be like in the future. If you think it's all dems. lol

Democrats have won the majority vote 5/6 last elections. The electoral college won't save the current Republican party forever. 

The voter base in the future will be less white. That is not an opinion, that is simple demographic math. They cannot run on the same issues forever. 

Dems have been using illegals to fluff the votes for years. It's the only reason to make it so people don't have to show IDs to vote. You can brag all you want about popular vote but 12+ mil is alot of fluff.

I'm not a progressive or a white supremacist (any sort of supremacist). Only people like that would frame something like you just did. I don't care about the same shit either does. I don't care about political correctness or trying to protect one race. All I care about is what is beneficial to americans overall.  You're pretty arrogant to think that dems got it made. That's how you guys lost against trump and lost all of congress. The right is adapting to the times. 



Hiku said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

I think you’re exaggerating; Russia has every right to expel US diplomats, after Obama did the same. What? You want Trump to push war with Russia?

 

Not thanking Puting for it ≠ pushing for war.
You can still say you don't agree with, or appreciate a decision, even if it is within their right.
Trump later said that he was being sarcastic. But I was focusing on the bolded part.

Excuse my English, but what you've said  makes no sense.



Aeolus451 said:
Soundwave said:

Democrats have won the majority vote 5/6 last elections. The electoral college won't save the current Republican party forever. 

The voter base in the future will be less white. That is not an opinion, that is simple demographic math. They cannot run on the same issues forever. 

Dems have been using illegals to fluff the votes for years. It's the only reason to make it so people don't have to show IDs to vote. You can brag all you want about popular vote but 12+ mil is alot of fluff.

I'm not a progressive or a white supremacist (any sort of supremacist). Only people like that would frame something like you just did. I don't care about the same shit either does. I don't care about political correctness or trying to protect one race. All I care about is what is beneficial to americans overall.  You're pretty arrogant to think that dems got it made. That's how you guys lost against trump and lost all of congress. The right is adapting to the times. 

You live in a multi-ethnic society, probably the largest most multi-ethnic major country in the world. You can deny that and become bitter and angry about it or embrace it. 

Trump winning one election doesn't change anything. I simply stated demographic statistics. 



VGPolyglot said:
NATO said:

Probably yes, but I am also free to express my opinion that what both sides are doing is a waste of time and that those doing it are a waste of oxygen.
The supremacists for even existing, and the counter-protestors for engaging in conflict with them rather than discourse.

Conflict has never, in the history of humanity, lead to peace, it has only ever bred further conflict either in direct response or planted the seeds for a future resurgence.


It's not like we're in a time of peace. There's conflict. Yeah, I'd like peace, but just being peaceful against a violent opponent is going to result in a loss.

Its better to have a peaceful protest. You can't fight fire with fire. The civil rights movement is a great example of this. If there weren't peaceful protest I doubt that segregation would have ended when it did.

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