When you replied the first time I told you I'd linked the threads from there on out you have the knowledge of the links I'm not going to hold your hand and label every link just in case you turn up in a thread that type of thinking is even more daft on your part tbh as I said if you don't read through the thread it's not really my problem, numerous people have even quoted both set of links.

What are you meant to think of links? Well take a guess you're in a topic about predictions of analysts so what do you think the links were going to contain in that post topics on how to prepare pasta bake, you're going on about how in hind sight blah blah but then those topic highlight that even before hindsight some predictions were just silly even more highlighted that at first you didn't think anyone would even make such predictions.

Long story in short, my last paragraph proves my point, all things that I mentioned kill any possible concerns that Switch will fail. All those concerns of some people were very shallow, while in same time they ignore or they didnt were aware of crucial positive things because Switch will be success. It was very obvious that Switch will sell more than 4-5m in 1st year, but this "analysts" failed to see that.

"I'm only trying to argue that criticism about the price was valid before the launch because there were lots of complaints about the price."

Complaints about the price were valid because there were lots of complaints about the price????

I didn't expect you to have spread your links across multiple posts. I looked up one post and had no reason to assume there would be more. Also, I didn't talk anything about labeling every link individually. I gave an example of a horrible label that gave me no idea about what to expect.

This thread seems to originally be more about ridiculing predictions than properly discussing them, and that's how I'm going to treat links labeled with 'I think the threads here were more hilarious tbh.' unless given a reason to treat them otherwise. Also, my main point wasn't even about there not having been such bad predictions. It was just a side remark because I hadn't seen any such low predictions myself, which I took as a sign of there not having been many such predictions. I was sure there must have been such predictions but not having seen any, I assumed they would be relatively rare. They still don't seem common to me.

Price is one of the biggest factors in any product's success, so I don't think you can dismiss problems with it that easily. You would have to argue why the positive things trump the price instead of simply stating they do. The other problems probably wouldn't be big enough on their own, but stuff can add up, especially if there's bigger problems in combination. Also, saying the analysts ignored or weren't aware of the positives seems ignorant in itself, because even if you're aware of those things, it can still be difficult to see whether the positives or the negatives will prevail. How do you know the price is not too high compared to the positives, for example? A hunch, maybe?

I thought a good bit about the situation myself, trying to assess both the positives and the negatives, and I can't really say I knew which ones would prevail because there were both strong positives and strong negatives. I'd say that without access to more data or other knowledge to make reliable judgement about the situation, you can at best have a good hunch about how things are going. Maybe your instincts are good and it's all obvious to you so you can make correct predictions, but I bet that's not the case for most people.

OK, I guess I could have phrased that better. I meant that because there were lots of complaints about the price, it was reasonable to assume that people find the price high, which might hint towards weaker sales performance.

Then you must have been away from VGC for a long time because such silly predictions weren't hard to find even after launch some people still held out on such predictions it's only now that the realization is starting to kick in for them.

The original post had analyst predictions that were just as bad as those predictions are Wii U range numbers for 12 months so ofcourse they're going to get stick as well from, those predictions are in the same boat as the people in the links.

I have a question, do you feel the 3ds/ds/gameboy line had 3rd party problems?

This next part not towards its just my observance, everytime I see a post that talk about 3rd party with Switch, all I keep thinking do people not count japanese developers when they say it will miss 3rd party games, because they already said they coming out with games, since they just got developer kits this year, some of these games will be coming in 2018, while the ones already completed coming this year. My question is do people only count western developers as 3rd party developers ? because from what 3ds/ds developers say about moving to Switch, I do not see the Switch having any 3rd party issues, just like any of their handhelds in the past and with it getting more indies than any system Nintendo created in the past, its obvious the system will have a lot of games. It is already 2 steps ahead of Wii U, the Wii U never had a NBA 2K, WWE  game that was built for it that also came with every feature as the other system even the preorder specials. The next big thing, Nintendo have all their developers together instead of split apart, in the past each year would have 7 3ds games every year with 4 Wii U games, so now with the Switch phasing out 3ds and Wii U, all 11 games Nintendo made a year for both systems can now come to 1 system, so having a game drought will be unlikely like the Wii U. 

I just think the system is getting 3rd party games, now if you prefer more western 3rd party games, be specific and say that, because saying no 3rd party make it seems like no one making games for it, but the truth is, everyone making games for it, it is just that the games from western developers is not there.

If you wondering where I got the idea Nintendo phasing out the 3ds, it comes from their developers, the first developer to say they not making any more games for the 3ds was the fire emblem team, all future games going to the Switch, and its common sense to know others will be doing the same

if you think Nintendo making a 2ds Xl make the 3ds line last longer, then you wrong, Nintendo also made a Game Boy Micro, after the Nintendo DS came out, so they always do something like that, it means nothing. They can say the switch a home console all they want, but japanese developers already know its a handheld if you read some of their interviews

so I ask again, what 3rd party will it be missing, because from watching 3ds/ds it will have a great life

I remember being pretty skeptical after the first presentation.
To be fair though, my major grievances with the Switch are still a concern. The online is a mess, there is no mic, there are motion controls, HD rumble is an unnecessary extra cost, and 1 2 Switch is an awful thing and I sincerely hope they abandon that path of gimmicky games.
But the overall hybrid concept was a complete winner and the console was really nice, which is what sold me and other people.
So I kinda ate my words. Also, ARMS was another thing where I did a complete 180.

Nintendo has experimented on gimmicks since Duck Hunt. If they haven't stopped then, what makes you think they'll stop now? There's no harm in experimenting like 1-2 Switch as long as it doesn't get in the way of their bigger games, which hasn't been the case so far. Plus not everyone is like you or others and may actually like the game for what it is. Different tastes right?  Online, outside of a mic which isn't really necessary to me or the app which I haven't tried yet outside of Splatnet 2, has been pretty good to me personally. ARMS, which works great with both motion and traditional controls, and Splatoon 2 had little to no hiccups in my experience in terms of online. Maybe it's me personally, but I don't see the difference in online experience between Overwatch and Splatoon. HD rumble doesn't seem to sound that expensive and we'll see how they'll be utilized once devs become more familiar with the tech. So overall, it's still young and the library will keep growing over time.

That as quite the dissertation, although Nintendo has confirmed they will keep supporting the 3DS in 2018 aswell.

The third party problems are tied to power problems. The lastest triple A third party games that are pushing the industry on the ps4 and X1 just won't be part of the switch. So, the third party titles will always be the more modest titles that are less intensive. So far i have seen mostly shovelware, i have not even seen anything so far that may be comparable to 3DS third party support. So, no, i disagree. I think third party isn't too different from the Wii U so far. 

I was disappointed with it myself