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potato_hamster said:
AsGryffynn said:

Two words: Region lock... 

There might actually be legal reasons why PS1 and PS2 games are still region locked, and Sony may not have the legal power or desire to change that. To my knowledge I can't think of any region locked console that eventually became region free.

Considering technically I can buy those games by circumventing this then it shouldn't be the case. The problem was Sony's insistence on making it unnecessarily complicated by tying US and EU account to their region rather than allowing accounts to move forth like Microsoft allows and then rejecting Paypal even though the competitors have supported it all the time... 

So they eventually censored the Japan only content, even if unintentionally... 



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AsGryffynn said:
potato_hamster said:

There might actually be legal reasons why PS1 and PS2 games are still region locked, and Sony may not have the legal power or desire to change that. To my knowledge I can't think of any region locked console that eventually became region free.

Considering technically I can buy those games by circumventing this then it shouldn't be the case. The problem was Sony's insistence on making it unnecessarily complicated by tying US and EU account to their region rather than allowing accounts to move forth like Microsoft allows and then rejecting Paypal even though the competitors have supported it all the time... 

So they eventually censored the Japan only content, even if unintentionally... 

The mere fact that you can circumvent a half-hearted barrier might mean that Sony is legally required to create some sort of barrier in the first place.



potato_hamster said:
Turkish said:

You're just repeating things now, like when a little child is accused and all he can say is "I dindo eeet".  For reference, this is the post http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8509746 those were your words, own up to them. And then those essays, my gawd have you nothing better to do. Literally trying everything but being factual to prove how my concept console is a bad idea.

I did make that post. And? Your assertions of things I've said aren't actually contained in that post like you think they are. Because you have poor reading comprehension.

But hey. You want me to give you a response you're looking for, that takes you as seriously as you expect to be taken? Here you go.

"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens

You're all up in arms that your assertions are being dismissed because you aren't actually providing any evidence to support your assertions. The entire basis for your entire reason why Sony can make this device for the price estimate is "Sony is an industry giant". That's it. Sorry, that's meaningless garbage. Sony's "industry giant" status doesn't make the PS4 backwards compatible with PS3, PS2, and PS1 games does it? Sony's "industry giant" status couldn't make them a VR headset that costs less than the console needed to play it, did it?

You think Sony can make a PS1 classic console with all of those features for $99-$149? Prove that statement.  Prove that the Bill of Material of such a device would be reasonable to produce in 2017 for margins that would be acceptable to a company like Sony. Prove that there are no legal/licensing barriers into offering a console that removes region locks that have been in place on every single device that has played PS1 games. Prove that Sony's existing upscalers can be "upgraded" to the level of quality you expect, or prove that Sony can create a better quality one without any IP issues. Finally, you need to prove that there are millions of people would rather spend $99-$150 for such a device rather than buying a PSTV (or similar device) that does most of those.

Put an actual legitimate, sincere effort into actually coming up with a compelling, well reasoned response to all of those things, and you might actually get the responses that take you as seriously as you expect to be treated. But if you're just going to assert that "Sony's a big company, obviously they can do it", then there's not much to your claims, and people are rightfully going to dismiss them.

Dont bother Potato.Once he is proven wrong in a topic which he is too proud of to admit it, he will be like a child that wont admit its own mistake and keep repeating himself and calling you names.Just drop it and your life will be better for it.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Turkish said:
potato_hamster said:

I did make that post. And? Your assertions of things I've said aren't actually contained in that post like you think they are. Because you have poor reading comprehension.

But hey. You want me to give you a response you're looking for, that takes you as seriously as you expect to be taken? Here you go.

"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens

You're all up in arms that your assertions are being dismissed because you aren't actually providing any evidence to support your assertions. The entire basis for your entire reason why Sony can make this device for the price estimate is "Sony is an industry giant". That's it. Sorry, that's meaningless garbage. Sony's "industry giant" status doesn't make the PS4 backwards compatible with PS3, PS2, and PS1 games does it? Sony's "industry giant" status couldn't make them a VR headset that costs less than the console needed to play it, did it?

You think Sony can make a PS1 classic console with all of those features for $99-$149? Prove that statement.  Prove that the Bill of Material of such a device would be reasonable to produce in 2017 for margins that would be acceptable to a company like Sony. Prove that there are no legal/licensing barriers into offering a console that removes region locks that have been in place on every single device that has played PS1 games. Prove that Sony's existing upscalers can be "upgraded" to the level of quality you expect, or prove that Sony can create a better quality one without any IP issues. Finally, you need to prove that there are millions of people would rather spend $99-$150 for such a device rather than buying a PSTV (or similar device) that does most of those.

Put an actual legitimate, sincere effort into actually coming up with a compelling, well reasoned response to all of those things, and you might actually get the responses that take you as seriously as you expect to be treated. But if you're just going to assert that "Sony's a big company, obviously they can do it", then there's not much to your claims, and people are rightfully going to dismiss them.

I dunno why you keep repeating things over and over again even after the fact I showed you your posts which you were too lazy to look up. You're claiming my idea is too costly and Nintendo's solution is the only way. You need to own up to your words and stop interpreting them differently each time. It's on you to prove they can't, I only made a wish list. If you can't grasp that simple concept, you're just trolling at this point. You need to prove why a industrial giant like Sony can't do the console I proposed for $99-149.

This is completely nonsensical. Again with the demands for me to support things I've never said with evidence. I can't own up to my words if they aren't my words!

It never has been and never will be "on me" to prove they can't make the product you proposed. That's not how logic and reason works. That's not intellectually honest. As much as you might claim otherwise, It's your assertion they can, so the onus is on your to provide evidence to support that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

I'll even quote the parts that apply (emphasis mine):

"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo."

You made the claims, and/or propositions in your original post. I disputed them.

"One way in which one would attempt to shift the burden of proof is by committing a logical fallacy known as the argument from ignorance. It occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proved false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proved true"

That's exactly what you're attempting to do. You don't get a free pass just because it's a "wish list".  Seriously. It 100% really, totally, is on you to back up your claims.





potato_hamster said:
Turkish said:

I dunno why you keep repeating things over and over again even after the fact I showed you your posts which you were too lazy to look up. You're claiming my idea is too costly and Nintendo's solution is the only way. You need to own up to your words and stop interpreting them differently each time. It's on you to prove they can't, I only made a wish list. If you can't grasp that simple concept, you're just trolling at this point. You need to prove why a industrial giant like Sony can't do the console I proposed for $99-149.

This is completely nonsensical. Again with the demands for me to support things I've never said with evidence. I can't own up to my words if they aren't my words!

It never has been and never will be "on me" to prove they can't make the product you proposed. That's not how logic and reason works. That's not intellectually honest. As much as you might claim otherwise, It's your assertion they can, so the onus is on your to provide evidence to support that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

I'll even quote the parts that apply (emphasis mine):

"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo."

You made the claims, and/or propositions in your original post. I disputed them.

"One way in which one would attempt to shift the burden of proof is by committing a logical fallacy known as the argument from ignorance. It occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proved false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proved true"

That's exactly what you're attempting to do. You don't get a free pass just because it's a "wish list".  Seriously. It 100% really, totally, is on you to back up your claims.



It's fascinating how even after I post direct quotes from you, you're still refusing to accept that you said my idea is too costly and being arrogant about it. So you're saying all your essays in which you were summing up parts and features of my console (da expensive PSN network connection! Da expensive PCB! Da world class upscaler! Da CD rom drive! etc" was for nought. That's insane man. Also, wishing for a product is not an assertion, learn the difference. This thread is a wishlist and that's what the OP is about. My only assertion is that a company like Sony has the means and resources to make my proposed product cheaply. You're the one asserting they can't do it, but so far you've failed to proof or convince me, but I guess that was never your agenda the way you acted here.



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Turkish said:
potato_hamster said:

This is completely nonsensical. Again with the demands for me to support things I've never said with evidence. I can't own up to my words if they aren't my words!

It never has been and never will be "on me" to prove they can't make the product you proposed. That's not how logic and reason works. That's not intellectually honest. As much as you might claim otherwise, It's your assertion they can, so the onus is on your to provide evidence to support that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

I'll even quote the parts that apply (emphasis mine):

"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo."

You made the claims, and/or propositions in your original post. I disputed them.

"One way in which one would attempt to shift the burden of proof is by committing a logical fallacy known as the argument from ignorance. It occurs when either a proposition is assumed to be true because it has not yet been proved false or a proposition is assumed to be false because it has not yet been proved true"

That's exactly what you're attempting to do. You don't get a free pass just because it's a "wish list".  Seriously. It 100% really, totally, is on you to back up your claims.



It's fascinating how even after I post direct quotes from you, you're still refusing to accept that you said my idea is too costly and being arrogant about it. So you're saying all your essays in which you were summing up parts and features of my console (da expensive PSN network connection! Da expensive PCB! Da world class upscaler! Da CD rom drive! etc" was for nought. That's insane man. Also, wishing for a product is not an assertion, learn the difference. This thread is a wishlist and that's what the OP is about. My only assertion is that a company like Sony has the means and resources to make my proposed product cheaply. You're the one asserting they can't do it, but so far you've failed to proof or convince me, but I guess that was never your agenda the way you acted here.

You post direct quotes from me that don't actually say the things you're claiming they say! I'm not sure what else to tell you other than that you are misinterpreting what I am saying either through poor reading comprehension, or intentionally as an underhanded argument tactic.

And actually, saying things like "Something like this shouldn't realistically cost more than $99-129" are assertions. Its as if at this point you're intentionally misusing words in an intellectually dishonest way. I'm not going to attempt to reach standards you refuse to hold yourself to.




potato_hamster said:
Turkish said:

It's fascinating how even after I post direct quotes from you, you're still refusing to accept that you said my idea is too costly and being arrogant about it. So you're saying all your essays in which you were summing up parts and features of my console (da expensive PSN network connection! Da expensive PCB! Da world class upscaler! Da CD rom drive! etc" was for nought. That's insane man. Also, wishing for a product is not an assertion, learn the difference. This thread is a wishlist and that's what the OP is about. My only assertion is that a company like Sony has the means and resources to make my proposed product cheaply. You're the one asserting they can't do it, but so far you've failed to proof or convince me, but I guess that was never your agenda the way you acted here.

You post direct quotes from me that don't actually say the things you're claiming they say! I'm not sure what else to tell you other than that you are misinterpreting what I am saying either through poor reading comprehension, or intentionally as an underhanded argument tactic.

And actually, saying things like "Something like this shouldn't realistically cost more than $99-129" are assertions. Its as if at this point you're intentionally misusing words in an intellectually dishonest way. I'm not going to attempt to reach standards you refuse to hold yourself to.


This is getting ridiculous. What do they say then? You keep accusing me of poor reading comprehension but why are you not correcting me, what are you trying to say to me this entire time?



Turkish said:
potato_hamster said:

You post direct quotes from me that don't actually say the things you're claiming they say! I'm not sure what else to tell you other than that you are misinterpreting what I am saying either through poor reading comprehension, or intentionally as an underhanded argument tactic.

And actually, saying things like "Something like this shouldn't realistically cost more than $99-129" are assertions. Its as if at this point you're intentionally misusing words in an intellectually dishonest way. I'm not going to attempt to reach standards you refuse to hold yourself to.


This is getting ridiculous. What do they say then? You keep accusing me of poor reading comprehension but why are you not correcting me, what are you trying to say to me this entire time?

I have corrected you and clarified. Multiple times. You have ingnored it on every instance and just pull out some other demand for me to own up to something else I didn't actually say often in your very next post.



potato_hamster said:
Turkish said:

This is getting ridiculous. What do they say then? You keep accusing me of poor reading comprehension but why are you not correcting me, what are you trying to say to me this entire time?

I have corrected you and clarified. Multiple times. You have ingnored it on every instance and just pull out some other demand for me to own up to something else I didn't actually say often in your very next post.

So you don't even know what you're arguing about, but you're accusing me of poor reading comprehension, the hell? I'll ask again: what point were/are you trying to make itt?



Turkish said:
potato_hamster said:

I have corrected you and clarified. Multiple times. You have ingnored it on every instance and just pull out some other demand for me to own up to something else I didn't actually say often in your very next post.

So you don't even know what you're arguing about, but you're accusing me of poor reading comprehension, the hell? I'll ask again: what point were/are you trying to make itt?

What?! How on earth do you get that I don't even know what I'm arguing about based on what I just wrote? Ohh right. Reading comprehension. My bad.

My point has always been that your "wishlist" is just wishful thinking. To be clear, that is in dispute of your original post.