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d21lewis said:
potato_hamster said:

Identity theft has nothing to do with copyright. Besides, in many places, it is known as "identity fraud" for a reason.

Could it be considered "theft of services"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_services?wprov=sfla1

Did you even read the wiki article you posted?

Copying data from someone is not a service. Theft of services is agreeing to the services of someone in some type of transaction and not paying for it. It's like if you agree to pay someone $50 to mow your lawn and then decide not to pay that person. You stole their services by not paying.

Again, what on earth does this have to do with the right to copy data?

Edit: Because I feel like beating a dead horse:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement

"Copyright holders frequently refer to copyright infringement as theft. In copyright law, infringement does not refer to theft of physical objects that take away the owner's possession, but an instance where a person exercises one of the exclusive rights of the copyright holder without authorization. Courts have distinguished between copyright infringement and theft. For instance, the United States Supreme Court held in Dowling v. United States (1985) that bootleg phonorecords did not constitute stolen property. Instead,

"interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The Copyright Act even employs a separate term of art to define one who misappropriates a copyright: '[...] an infringer of the copyright.'""

(emphasis mine)



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potato_hamster said:
psychicscubadiver said:

How do you explain identity theft?

The thief is not actually taking someone's identity away from them, just copying their data and using it for their own purposes without permission.

Identity theft has nothing to do with copyright. Besides, in many places, it is known as "identity fraud" for a reason.

I dunno, bro. Both involve data that doesn't belong to the person 'copying' it and lost revenue to the victim. Not to mention that anyone on the street would definitly call identity theft a form of stealing. It looks like both popular opinion and the evidence is against you.



psychicscubadiver said:
potato_hamster said:

Identity theft has nothing to do with copyright. Besides, in many places, it is known as "identity fraud" for a reason.

I dunno, bro. Both involve data that doesn't belong to the person 'copying' it and lost revenue to the victim. Not to mention that anyone on the street would definitly call identity theft a form of stealing. It looks like both popular opinion and the evidence is against you.

What evidence is that, exactly? Your anecdote? Your random assertion that any random on the street would agree with you? Besides, none of that even matters because you're using a very generous interpretation of one type of "identity theft" that may involve copying something and equating the concept of identity theft in its entirety to copyright infringement. They're two different sections of the law for a reason. They're not the same.




I only read the first couple of paragraphs because I'm driving but if this article is legit, the FBI considers piracy theft: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft



Outside of emulators, the price is actually quite reasonable given it comes with the hardware, controller, and 21 games, many of which are well north of $20.

I don't really see how this is a ripoff if you did not intend to do something illegal.



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d21lewis said:
I only read the first couple of paragraphs because I'm driving but if this article is legit, the FBI considers piracy theft: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft

If only intellectual property theft and copyright infringement were the same thing.... you might have a point.

Do you have anything else you want to pretend is the same as copyright infringement so you can make yet another false equivalence?



potato_hamster said:
d21lewis said:
I only read the first couple of paragraphs because I'm driving but if this article is legit, the FBI considers piracy theft: https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft

If only intellectual property theft and copyright infringement were the same thing.... you might have a point.

Do you have anything else you want to pretend is the same as copyright infringement so you can make yet another false equivalence?

"which can include everything from trade secrets and proprietary products and parts to movies, music, and software. "

 

I can see you're getting agitated. Your responses seem hostile. I'll admit you're right. Two different crimes. Happy Independence Day!



If you're using something for free that was intended to be sold, how is that not stealing unless you have permission from the owner?



d21lewis said:
potato_hamster said:

If only intellectual property theft and copyright infringement were the same thing.... you might have a point.

Do you have anything else you want to pretend is the same as copyright infringement so you can make yet another false equivalence?

"which can include everything from trade secrets and proprietary products and parts to movies, music, and software. "

 

I can see you're getting agitated. Your responses seem hostile. I'll admit you're right. Two different crimes. Happy Independence Day!

That's probably why I don't equate piracy to copyright infringement. Not all piracy is copyright infringement, and not all copyright infringement is piracy.

Besides, I've already demonstrated where the law actually stands on this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement

"Copyright holders frequently refer to copyright infringement as theft. In copyright law, infringement does not refer to theft of physical objects that take away the owner's possession, but an instance where a person exercises one of the exclusive rights of the copyright holder without authorization. Courts have distinguished between copyright infringement and theft. For instance, the United States Supreme Court held in Dowling v. United States (1985) that bootleg phonorecords did not constitute stolen property. Instead,

"interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The Copyright Act even employs a separate term of art to define one who misappropriates a copyright: '[...] an infringer of the copyright.'""

What more needs to be said?



Sorry to butt in, but what's the significance whether piracy is stealing or not? It's a crime regardless. According to my dvd / blu-ray collection, a crime with possible 250k fines and/or 5 year jail sentence. Seems severe enough.

They were right, movies suck nowadays!

The SNES Mini is definitely not a rip-off, it's priced right. I wouldn't mind getting one if available. I have no interest in playing those games on an emulator, yet hooking it up to my old crt tv and have some fun with my kids this winter sounds good. Dunno if it will be in stores around then (And does it even work with old tvs?) There's plenty other stuff to play otherwise.