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Forums - Nintendo - I think SNESSuper Famicom Mini is a rip off. Why I suggest not buying.

potato_hamster said:
d21lewis said:

I pirate stuff all the time but I literally just looked up the definition of piracy on dictionary.com and yes, it's stealing. People go to jail for it! People pay fines for it! 

 

Just admit that you and I are criminals. Like Han Solo. We're a couple of Han Solos.

Copyright infringement is illegal. That does not mean it's stealing. It's akin to saying that Copyright infringment is tax evasion because people also go to jail and pay fines for that.

Wouldn't it qualify as theft of services?

 



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niceguygameplayer said:

Don't buy it because:

1. Price for a plug'n'play replica SNES is too high when other companies have released games for cheaper on a CD.

2. It doesn't have all of the required games, according to me.

3. Despite having substantially more units according to Nintendo, demand will exceed supply.

Fixed.

You contradict point 1 and 2 with your third point. Because if the price is too high and the games are not adqueate, then there shouldn't be a demand that exceeds supply. This is like day 1 Business 101.

You don't make a compelling argument.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

potato_hamster said:
rjason12 said:

Nope, Still stealing. It's data you didn't pay for. You do not have the right to do anything to the data unless it is yours. Even though you are copying it, you're still taking a file without paying for it.

Nope. Still not stealing by any credible definition. Copyright infringement is illegal, which means copying a file you do not have a right to copy is a crime. It's just not stealing. Nothing is being taken. It is only being copied. These are not the same things.

Buying a digital software also grants you the license to use it. By emulating it, while nothing is physically taken, you are still committing theft of intellectual property by using something which has not been licensed to you for personal use. How would you feel if someone submitted your school essay as his, without your permission? Better yet, how would you feel if someone used your code which you developed for 5000 hours with a huge cost in terms of money and time, without your permission?

 

Emulation is only acceptable if the developer is no longer around to profit from the product, or if the product in question is impossible to buy legally anymore. Anything else is just a cheap excuse to moralize an illegal activity. You can pretend no one is losing anything, but this is not about the physical properties of a game software. This is about intellectual properties and use licensing.



This whole copyright thing is a bit of a red herring. Piracy is a proven negative for the industry, and it's illegal. You can't suggest that something costs too much because it can be acquired illegally for free.  ALL videogames, movies, and music can be acquired illegally for free. You're not entitled to free stuff just because you have an internet connection.


And to chase the red herring:
The issue with the copyright argument are that people are conflating the meanings of stealing and robbery. While all robbery is stealing, not all stealing is robbery. Robbery is taking a physical object, thus removing it from another person's possession without authorization. Stealing is a wider term; and it includes plagiarism and copyright infringement. Stealing is essentially when a person takes something that doesn't belong to them; this includes making unauthorized copies of someone else's ideas, works, or data.

Generally, the content creation industry is where people create content to duplicate and sell, it's not a physical object, but virtual goods can often take much more work to produce and create a far higher demand than many physical objects. A content creator has the sole right to decide how their work is used, they can sell that right to another, or copy and distribute those copies (it's how the whole media industry functions). A person duplicating the work without authorization is stealing because: A. They're taking the right of the content creator/owner to reproduce the work. B. Taking a copy of data without authorization.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

You suggest not buying but it's already sold out. Nintendo creates artificial shortages and they know scalpers buy a shit ton of their products. It's terrible what Nintendo is doing, at $80 I'd probably impulse buy one during the holidays, but I'm not into F5ing Amazon all day or getting screwed over by scalpers. They really have no excuse not to make enough units after the amiibos and nes classic.

I have a cfw ps3 with snes emu anyway.



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haqqaton said:
potato_hamster said:

Ohh I'm sorry, were you saying something, racist? See I just redefined "racist" to mean anyone who disagrees with me. It's all a matter of semantics, anyways, isn't it?

It's not a matter of semantics at all. It's a matter of using words properly. Digital Piracy has a proper definition. Stealing has a proper definition. They are not the same. You can't just start re-defining well established terms to fit your narrative. Piracy is not theft and you're just going to have to come to terms with that.

What?! No. Let's get back to the beginning... You said someone doesn't "took" something by copying digital (or by taking photocopies) data just because it's not a physical object and the person still has the original. Correct?

So, is it wrong when I say "I took the song from my friend" when what my friend did was copy the song to my flash drive?

Yes, it's technically wrong. Nothing is being taken. Just because the phrase "take" has been used in place of "copy" in modern vernacular does not mean you're actually taking something from the original owner. Let me put it to you this way, no one is getting charged with attempted murder because someone "burned" someone with an insult.



Helloplite said:
potato_hamster said:

Nope. Still not stealing by any credible definition. Copyright infringement is illegal, which means copying a file you do not have a right to copy is a crime. It's just not stealing. Nothing is being taken. It is only being copied. These are not the same things.

Buying a digital software also grants you the license to use it. By emulating it, while nothing is physically taken, you are still committing theft of intellectual property by using something which has not been licensed to you for personal use. How would you feel if someone submitted your school essay as his, without your permission? Better yet, how would you feel if someone used your code which you developed for 5000 hours with a huge cost in terms of money and time, without your permission?

 

Emulation is only acceptable if the developer is no longer around to profit from the product, or if the product in question is impossible to buy legally anymore. Anything else is just a cheap excuse to moralize an illegal activity. You can pretend no one is losing anything, but this is not about the physical properties of a game software. This is about intellectual properties and use licensing.

It's not theft of intellectual property, it's misuse of intellectual property. It's using IP in a way which you have no legal right to. For example. If I buy a legal copy of a blu-ray, digitize it, and then sell it to my friends for $5, I have no taken anything from anybody, but I am certainly breaking copyright law, because I made and sold copies of a file I had no right to copy and sell.

And why are you acting as if I think this is legal or moral? I never said copyright infringment was acceptable or legal. It isn't acceptable or legal, and I say this as someone who has been negatively impacted by copyright infringement.  I only claimed it wasn't theft/stealing. Because it isn't. That doesn't make it okay.



potato_hamster said:
Helloplite said:

Buying a digital software also grants you the license to use it. By emulating it, while nothing is physically taken, you are still committing theft of intellectual property by using something which has not been licensed to you for personal use. How would you feel if someone submitted your school essay as his, without your permission? Better yet, how would you feel if someone used your code which you developed for 5000 hours with a huge cost in terms of money and time, without your permission?

 

Emulation is only acceptable if the developer is no longer around to profit from the product, or if the product in question is impossible to buy legally anymore. Anything else is just a cheap excuse to moralize an illegal activity. You can pretend no one is losing anything, but this is not about the physical properties of a game software. This is about intellectual properties and use licensing.

It's not theft of intellectual property, it's misuse of intellectual property. It's using IP in a way which you have no legal right to. For example. If I buy a legal copy of a blu-ray, digitize it, and then sell it to my friends for $5, I have no taken anything from anybody, but I am certainly breaking copyright law, because I made and sold copies of a file I had no right to copy and sell.

And why are you acting as if I think this is legal or moral? I never said copyright infringment was acceptable or legal. It isn't acceptable or legal, and I say this as someone who has been negatively impacted by copyright infringement.  I only claimed it wasn't theft/stealing. Because it isn't. That doesn't make it okay.

How do you explain identity theft?

The thief is not actually taking someone's identity away from them, just copying their data and using it for their own purposes without permission.



psychicscubadiver said:
potato_hamster said:

It's not theft of intellectual property, it's misuse of intellectual property. It's using IP in a way which you have no legal right to. For example. If I buy a legal copy of a blu-ray, digitize it, and then sell it to my friends for $5, I have no taken anything from anybody, but I am certainly breaking copyright law, because I made and sold copies of a file I had no right to copy and sell.

And why are you acting as if I think this is legal or moral? I never said copyright infringment was acceptable or legal. It isn't acceptable or legal, and I say this as someone who has been negatively impacted by copyright infringement.  I only claimed it wasn't theft/stealing. Because it isn't. That doesn't make it okay.

How do you explain identity theft?

The thief is not actually taking someone's identity away from them, just copying their data and using it for their own purposes without permission.

Identity theft has nothing to do with copyright. Besides, in many places, it is known as "identity fraud" for a reason.



potato_hamster said:
psychicscubadiver said:

How do you explain identity theft?

The thief is not actually taking someone's identity away from them, just copying their data and using it for their own purposes without permission.

Identity theft has nothing to do with copyright. Besides, in many places, it is known as "identity fraud" for a reason.

Could it be considered "theft of services"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_of_services?wprov=sfla1