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Pemalite said:
barneystinson69 said:

This guy man. He said this 2-3 years ago...

...I have little reason to believe otherwise.

They sure did.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-investing-1-billion-into-xbox-one-games/1100-6408992/

$1 Billion in games they apparantly invested in.



I can almost guarantee you where about half of that was going towards.  That stupid gaming mixed with TV gimmick they were working on.  The one that never really saw the light of day.  Did that money then get reinvested into other games when that failed?  Looking at their 1st party output, probably not.  Or they are just using it for their future Halo, GeOW, and Forza games.

zero129 said:
smroadkill15 said:

A company is withholding content from another platform for not just an extended period, but a lifetime for some games. Compare it to having console exclusivity for a few month, then releasing the full game on a competitors platform. I would take the later any day. Btw, Sony does the timed exclusives games too.  

Sony are the ones who made buying exclusives a thing. How else do people think they got all them devs to support them in the PS1 and 2 days?.

Because developing on the PS1 was much cheaper than the N64.  Nintendo also wanted full control of making the carts, so they could choose how many copies of your game were produced.  Sony gave devs/publishers more freedom on their console.  And it proved itself by selling MUCH more than the N64.  This was also the gen after the SNES/Genesis one where many devs/publishers left Nintendo, or published on both consoles, because they hated Nintendo's restrictions and general attitude towards 3rd parties.

The PS2 was the follow up to the most successful console of the time, and it sold even better.  Many companies, especially smaller one, were fine only publishing on the PS2 because it meant less time and money spent on development, but they still had many more customers to sell to than the Gamecube/Dreamcast/Xbox.



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zero129 said:
Kerotan said:

Haha MS are the ones who came out saying timed exclusive and exclusive content isn't good.  Meanwhile they've been doing both.  Biggest hypocrites going. 

Care to point out where Steve said "Timed" exclusives??. Timed exclusives and keeping exclusive content away from another platform is two different things, id expect you to at least know that.

Timed exclusive means the other platform doesn't get it for a period of time example a year.  If Microsoft could afford to keep more of these titles off ps4 permanently they would.  But ps4 is dominating the market share and so it's too expensive in most cases. 



Azzanation said:
eva01beserk said:

Thank _____(insert deity here) it was some poll online. Now I can stop drooling over all thouse AAA games I saw on sonys show.

Id rather base my point off 1700 Voters who are not designated to a random website full of random posters. What are you basing your point on? Gamers on Websites where the PS fanbase outnumbers the Xbox fanbase? Sounds legit.

I base my point on objebtive resoning, not going on by what anyone else says. While to me sony crushed it cuz it had more games that interested me and will be on no other platform, I pushed that aside.

My way of thinking.

They showed more AAA games, wich will have broader apeal.   Even if thuse games dint interest me at all, I could objectibly say, a game like days gone will pick more gamers interest than state of decay. Spider man, god of war and all the others, just for being AAA will have a biger impact, than lets say ori and luckys tale.

They showed exclusives, wich will pull gamers to their ecosystem. It dsent matter if I like them or not, or if you like what MS showed. SOny just had more to show, and already deliverd more this year. That will pull consumers cuz there is no other place to play theese games, and even though big multyplats might be better, or ms has timed eclusives, I ill still be able to play them on a ps4 so its more important.

Basicly thinking, did that conference made me think I needed/wanted and xbox? no. what about sonys? for me yes. and I used the above to guess how the others might think. 



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So he means that they annoucne a game expmple in E3 and the same year comes out? Good for them if has the same games like halo forza gears that we know how it looks like.

Sony 2015 Horizon zero down, comes out early 2017 a new game that was build the hype in 2015, 2016 E3
2016 God of war first gameplay on complete new era, 2017 more of this new gameplay comes out early 2018
Days gone 2016 first gameplay of a complete new gameplay 2017 second gameplay 2018 release date
Spiderman 2016 first trailer 2017 second gameplay 2018 release date
The resort is those games get milions of views and build the hype throuth the roof

The last of us 2 it was early development but Naughty dog has share it on psx for the fans. same with death strading
Where exaclty is  the 3 years Phil lier? If you have complete new games you dont want to bulid a 2 years hype so eveyone dont forget it



He attack once again to Sony because he is desperd first say we dont have time exclusives now we dont show games that is on development . what a about scalebound the you force the developers to make it 4 co op. the first gameplay trailer we see singler player and the other year you make it 4 co op ?

At least Sony has cover those releases with tons of exclusives games before those blockbusters comes out. They are in stage that give exclusives game all the year not only the holidays

So get your sigh off for the good of gaming. We dont need a lier like you. Bungie left of because you forse it to make Halo for ever, Remedy has left you because you force them to make movie tv tv game, Halo has lose the power becuase is the same game, even Mario going open wolrd and Rpg



 

 

thismeintiel said:
zero129 said:

Sony are the ones who made buying exclusives a thing. How else do people think they got all them devs to support them in the PS1 and 2 days?.

Because developing on the PS1 was much cheaper than the N64.  Nintendo also wanted full control of making the carts, so they could choose how many copies of your game were produced.  Sony gave devs/publishers more freedom on their console.  And it proved itself by selling MUCH more than the N64.  This was also the gen after the SNES/Genesis one where many devs/publishers left Nintendo, or published on both consoles, because they hated Nintendo's restrictions and general attitude towards 3rd parties.

The PS2 was the follow up to the most successful console of the time, and it sold even better.  Many companies, especially smaller one, were fine only publishing on the PS2 because it meant less time and money spent on development, but they still had many more customers to sell to than the Gamecube/Dreamcast/Xbox.

You're wrong. It's a common misconception that third party devs only released games on PS2 because it was so sucessful. It was more true with the PS1, but there were moneyhats back then too. See Tomb Raider II. The first game was on Saturn. The franchise didn't leave the PS1 until 2000. On the PS2, GTA III was clearly bought. ALL of Square's PS2 games were bought as well, which is why FF Chrystal Chronicles was a spinoff (and made by a shell company), and why none of their 6th gen games besides the aforementioned left the PS2. There are other examples too, like SoulCalibur II selling well on all three consoles, and SCIII only appearing on the PS2. MGS2 released on the Xbox, 3 didn't.

Sony is no stranger to this.



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Machiavellian said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

But you have to remember that gears wasn't first party from the start. Micosoft was publishing third party to to keep it exclusive. There is no development standard (which is traditional in he console race) or beloved ms studios outside of turn ten for ms.

There are three diferenct types of exclusives you can do.  You get a talented studio to make one of your IPs, you do an exclusive deal like Sunset overdrive or Gears, or you have your 1st party.  You can consider them to be 1st and 2nd party since they are making games exclusive for your system.  When all said and done if you own the IP then it really does not matter if the studio is in house.  Really if exclusives are what people are so pinned about then the developer is only one piece.  The main piece is that MS owns the IP.

If the IP doesn't offer much value or doesn't get more games released it doesn't help much.

Snoopy said:
Barkley said:

Was about to correct you and say Ori 2 was announced for this year, but you're right... wow 2017 has been sparse.

Not really, Path of exiles, battle ground unkown, cup head, halo wars 2, city skylines, forza 7, crack down 3 and more. Plus all the superior multiplatform games.

Which MP were superior on X1S than on PS4 or PS4Pro?

LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

Do you really want to go and show how much support MS themselves gave X360 in the latest years of its life? And yes Sony may abbandon PS4 in the latter life, just doesn't seem it would be the case considering PS1,2,3

If they "abandoned" the 360 then it shouldn't be too hard, no? That would mean zero titles. Or wait, let me guess. By "abandon", which is a pretty clear cut situation, you're actually meaning "well they didn't release enough for me personally". Which would make any attempt by me to show they actually did support the 360 for a decade after it launched pointless, because your mind is made up. Just understand that when you say they abandoned something, rational people aren't going to agree with your subjective definition of abandoned :) They released games up until a decade after the 360 launched. They didn't abandon it :) Hope that helps.

 

http://imgur.com/zl10SZ0 yeah sure, about the same level of support Sony and MS gives to their consoles on the ending years.

theprof00 said:
DonFerrari said:

Public exposing and pressuring your boss like that isn't a good idea.

My theory doesn't support the following idea that he's doing so publically. My assumption is that nadella told him in confidence that he believed more in growing the platform. Nothing Spencer said here would have betrayed that confidence, but rather brought the issue to light. 

But your 2 phrases contradicts one another, he was either presurring his boss or he was doing what was told.

LudicrousSpeed said:
zero129 said:

Care to point out where Steve said "Timed" exclusives??. Timed exclusives and keeping exclusive content away from another platform is two different things, id expect you to at least know that.

You're wasting your time, people will always go for the low hanging fruit. Most are not even understanding what Phil is talking about here.

There's a big difference between something like the Tomb Raider deal, or even the CoD deal Sony has, and what Destiny does. When PS4 owners got to play Tomb Raider, it was the complete experience. In fact, it was a more complete experience than other platforms got at launch. When Xbox owners buy Calls of Doody, they might have to wait 30 days if they want DLC, but they at least get complete access to the full base game for their money.

With Destiny if you buy on PC or Xbone, for your same investment as PS4 owners you do not get the complete experience. And you won't get it for at least a year, if not longer, as was the case with The Taken King bonus content, I have read it's still not available on Xbox. And if you decide to buy any Destiny DLC on non-PS4 platforms, you even have content out of there that you just paid for, locked away for at minimum a year as well. So you don't even get the complete DLC you pay for. That's the type of shit he's talking about and I'm glad they don't support those shenanigans. I'm not supporting Destiny, not even on my PS4. And I wouldn't support any game with a MS deal that pulled that type of BS.

Yeah sure... much worse to not play a small portion of the game for 1 year than to not play anything on the game for 1 year.

method114 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Stop signing contracts for exclusives. Build up your own studios spencer or be dominated by your competiton. Still has yet to figure out that what makes Sony and Nintendo development so special is that they have dedicated studios that fans depend on by name on their own.

Agreed. Someone else said it best but MS always does this in almost every industry they enter into. They always go half way in instead of going all in. Not surprised to see it happening again. I loved my xbox 360 but nothing annoyed me more than getting Gear of War 4 prequel that no one asked for while PS3 was getting like three new IP exclusives all different game genre's. That's when I said to myself that when Ps4 and the new xbox come out I'm going to consider PS4 unless I see something amazing from MS. Well then we all know what happened after that.

Another one of my favorite quotes from Sony was how they said Last of Us and Uncharted paid for damn near every single exclusive they have released because they don't sell well enough to make money. Something a long those lines. I just loved hearing a company saying they are willing to take risk like that.

Shu Yoshida said that basically from every 10 games about 4 pay for debts of the other 6 and only 2 will really heap profits... and I like this instance of trying riskier projects protected by assured success,



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

But your 2 phrases contradicts one another, he was either presurring his boss or he was doing what was told.

 

I don't think you really read what I was saying.

I said he was potentially using the press coverage to put pressure on his boss.
You said you think it would be stupid to publically pressure your boss.
I said, he wasn't doing so publically, but using the media questions themselves to apply pressure.

It doesn't really matter. It's just a guess because I notice things like when people randomly, non-sequitorially mention things that weren't part of the discussion. But there is no contradiction, and it was not to publically put him on the spot. Both the things you said were incorrect.

Like, he's not even saying that Satya supports the library. The way he said it, like it was a future event happening, and that satya would say, "we need to support", as if it's something he hasn't said yet. It really looks like he's putting words in satya's mouth that he thinks satya should say.

That's just my opinion.



theprof00 said:

But your 2 phrases contradicts one another, he was either presurring his boss or he was doing what was told.

 

I don't think you really read what I was saying.

I said he was potentially using the press coverage to put pressure on his boss.
You said you think it would be stupid to publically pressure your boss.
I said, he wasn't doing so publically, but using the media questions themselves to apply pressure.

It doesn't really matter. It's just a guess because I notice things like when people randomly, non-sequitorially mention things that weren't part of the discussion. But there is no contradiction, and it was not to publically put him on the spot. Both the things you said were incorrect.

Like, he's not even saying that Satya supports the library. The way he said it, like it was a future event happening, and that satya would say, "we need to support", as if it's something he hasn't said yet. It really looks like he's putting words in satya's mouth that he thinks satya should say.

That's just my opinion.

Well if you don't see how what he said is publicaly exposing the company and a way to pressure for actions contradicts what you said after that he had some support from Satella to do it ok. I doesn't really matter.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Haahhaa we've just signed on for more exclusives.

Why isn't the sentence, we have our first party studios working on exclusives that wont be ready for 2-3 years?



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DonFerrari said:
theprof00 said:

But your 2 phrases contradicts one another, he was either presurring his boss or he was doing what was told.

 

I don't think you really read what I was saying.

I said he was potentially using the press coverage to put pressure on his boss.
You said you think it would be stupid to publically pressure your boss.
I said, he wasn't doing so publically, but using the media questions themselves to apply pressure.

It doesn't really matter. It's just a guess because I notice things like when people randomly, non-sequitorially mention things that weren't part of the discussion. But there is no contradiction, and it was not to publically put him on the spot. Both the things you said were incorrect.

Like, he's not even saying that Satya supports the library. The way he said it, like it was a future event happening, and that satya would say, "we need to support", as if it's something he hasn't said yet. It really looks like he's putting words in satya's mouth that he thinks satya should say.

That's just my opinion.

Well if you don't see how what he said is publicaly exposing the company and a way to pressure for actions contradicts what you said after that he had some support from Satella to do it ok. I doesn't really matter.

again, you simply have a reading problem. I'm ok with that. It really doesnt matter