Spencer: We Have Just Signed Exclusives That Won’t Be Ready for 2-3 Years, No Point in Showing Them

[DonFerrari]

Machiavellian said:

S.T.A.G.E. said:

But you have to remember that gears wasn't first party from the start. Micosoft was publishing third party to to keep it exclusive. There is no development standard (which is traditional in he console race) or beloved ms studios outside of turn ten for ms.

There are three diferenct types of exclusives you can do.  You get a talented studio to make one of your IPs, you do an exclusive deal like Sunset overdrive or Gears, or you have your 1st party.  You can consider them to be 1st and 2nd party since they are making games exclusive for your system.  When all said and done if you own the IP then it really does not matter if the studio is in house.  Really if exclusives are what people are so pinned about then the developer is only one piece.  The main piece is that MS owns the IP.

If the IP doesn't offer much value or doesn't get more games released it doesn't help much.

Snoopy said:

Barkley said:

Was about to correct you and say Ori 2 was announced for this year, but you're right... wow 2017 has been sparse.

Not really, Path of exiles, battle ground unkown, cup head, halo wars 2, city skylines, forza 7, crack down 3 and more. Plus all the superior multiplatform games.

Which MP were superior on X1S than on PS4 or PS4Pro?

LudicrousSpeed said:

DonFerrari said:

Do you really want to go and show how much support MS themselves gave X360 in the latest years of its life? And yes Sony may abbandon PS4 in the latter life, just doesn't seem it would be the case considering PS1,2,3

If they "abandoned" the 360 then it shouldn't be too hard, no? That would mean zero titles. Or wait, let me guess. By "abandon", which is a pretty clear cut situation, you're actually meaning "well they didn't release enough for me personally". Which would make any attempt by me to show they actually did support the 360 for a decade after it launched pointless, because your mind is made up. Just understand that when you say they abandoned something, rational people aren't going to agree with your subjective definition of abandoned :) They released games up until a decade after the 360 launched. They didn't abandon it :) Hope that helps.

 

http://imgur.com/zl10SZ0 yeah sure, about the same level of support Sony and MS gives to their consoles on the ending years.

theprof00 said:

DonFerrari said:

Public exposing and pressuring your boss like that isn't a good idea.

My theory doesn't support the following idea that he's doing so publically. My assumption is that nadella told him in confidence that he believed more in growing the platform. Nothing Spencer said here would have betrayed that confidence, but rather brought the issue to light. 

But your 2 phrases contradicts one another, he was either presurring his boss or he was doing what was told.

LudicrousSpeed said:

zero129 said:

Care to point out where Steve said "Timed" exclusives??. Timed exclusives and keeping exclusive content away from another platform is two different things, id expect you to at least know that.

You're wasting your time, people will always go for the low hanging fruit. Most are not even understanding what Phil is talking about here.

There's a big difference between something like the Tomb Raider deal, or even the CoD deal Sony has, and what Destiny does. When PS4 owners got to play Tomb Raider, it was the complete experience. In fact, it was a more complete experience than other platforms got at launch. When Xbox owners buy Calls of Doody, they might have to wait 30 days if they want DLC, but they at least get complete access to the full base game for their money.

With Destiny if you buy on PC or Xbone, for your same investment as PS4 owners you do not get the complete experience. And you won't get it for at least a year, if not longer, as was the case with The Taken King bonus content, I have read it's still not available on Xbox. And if you decide to buy any Destiny DLC on non-PS4 platforms, you even have content out of there that you just paid for, locked away for at minimum a year as well. So you don't even get the complete DLC you pay for. That's the type of shit he's talking about and I'm glad they don't support those shenanigans. I'm not supporting Destiny, not even on my PS4. And I wouldn't support any game with a MS deal that pulled that type of BS.

Yeah sure... much worse to not play a small portion of the game for 1 year than to not play anything on the game for 1 year.

method114 said:

S.T.A.G.E. said:
Stop signing contracts for exclusives. Build up your own studios spencer or be dominated by your competiton. Still has yet to figure out that what makes Sony and Nintendo development so special is that they have dedicated studios that fans depend on by name on their own.

Agreed. Someone else said it best but MS always does this in almost every industry they enter into. They always go half way in instead of going all in. Not surprised to see it happening again. I loved my xbox 360 but nothing annoyed me more than getting Gear of War 4 prequel that no one asked for while PS3 was getting like three new IP exclusives all different game genre's. That's when I said to myself that when Ps4 and the new xbox come out I'm going to consider PS4 unless I see something amazing from MS. Well then we all know what happened after that.

Another one of my favorite quotes from Sony was how they said Last of Us and Uncharted paid for damn near every single exclusive they have released because they don't sell well enough to make money. Something a long those lines. I just loved hearing a company saying they are willing to take risk like that.

Shu Yoshida said that basically from every 10 games about 4 pay for debts of the other 6 and only 2 will really heap profits... and I like this instance of trying riskier projects protected by assured success,