Azzanation said:
DonFerrari said:
You are basing all your argument on one single poll. That agrees with your narrative, so don't push a point to then deflect and say each will use it as they see fit.
Yes people were happy with MS event, and most probably didn't even noticed that basically all that was show on MS show will be present on PS4 while several of the games on PS4 presentation won't go to X1. And sorry, but I do care about results. So if the E3 don't result in more sales then iit was just wasted money. Or does MS runs a NGO?
Yes sales determine better, not the one that is better to your taste, but better at attending customer need and perception. So yes Bettle is a better car than a Ferrari in several ways. But to someone that doesn't see that a marketing purpose on "winning" is selling more I wouldn't hope to understand this.
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Sales never determines whats better. In many cases sales is based off more whats available to you. In this case PS4 will always have a software advantage when it comes to game sales because it has a bigger user base where there customers have access to the games shown. If you half the user base you will notice the sales count dramatically drop. Xbox had a great event, what some sites say will vary and fanboys will pick there courners regardless. In this case we have seen actual votes of people (Not just gamers) say Xbox was a winner. I think Nintendo had the best show because they have more games i want to play compared to both Sony and Xbox however Xbox did show off new hardware and features and a bunch of games coming out in 2017 that we dont have to wait long to play. So i understand why they had the better show. Sony and Nintendo promise games are coming with only afew releasing this year that are 1st party and no new Hardware or features. So nothing really new.
Also you have to remember not everything shown is available for pre-order. Why i dont care for Amazon numbers. I cant pre-order a X1X until its availble in my country. So its abit hard to base that off online orders when not everyone can order.
Go drive a Ferrari than jump into a Beetle. You might be wrong on whats a better car.
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Sales always reflect what was considered the best product for that market (unless it's a rigged market). Yes, half the userbase would sell less SW, but not exactly half the SW sales. Again Nintendo games are selling much better than X1 on a lot smaller userbase.
So you rather evaluate an E3 on games by votes of people that doesn't game? What an odd decision. And here you are accusing others of being fanboys on their choice of source of info and poll.
Sony showed 5 games that will release this year on pre-E3 and already had released 5 or more exclusives this year already.
So sorry, I won't consider votes of people that think everything showed on MS stage was developed by them or is exclusive to them. Or would you say that if only real exclusives were show without all the different definitions of exclusives used common folk (that have no idea what those definitions were) would be voting X1 event as the best?
Nope, not wrong on what is the better car. I preffer a Ferrari, and for sure if your mission is to drive 1M km Bettle is a better car for that than a Ferrari. But them again you seem to have 0 knowledge of economy.
eva01beserk said:
DonFerrari said:
The sales. Owww sorry, no, some poll on the internet. Sales are irrelevant.
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Thank _____(insert deity here) it was some poll online. Now I can stop drooling over all thouse AAA games I saw on sonys show.
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Yes, the interwebs have talked, you can't think PS show was better because one site had MS winning E3.
Azzanation said:
eva01beserk said:
Thank _____(insert deity here) it was some poll online. Now I can stop drooling over all thouse AAA games I saw on sonys show.
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Id rather base my point off 1700 Voters who are not designated to a random website full of random posters. What are you basing your point on? Gamers on Websites where the PS fanbase outnumbers the Xbox fanbase? Sounds legit.
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Yes those 1700 voter aren't random. And sure people that though all the games that MS put "EXCLUSIVE" on loud sound and gave a confusing definition on screen wouldn't be making a vote on ill informed base.
smroadkill15 said:
twintail said:
So marketing deals are evil but exclusive contracts are ok? |
A company is withholding content from another platform for not just an extended period, but a lifetime for some games. Compare it to having console exclusivity for a few month, then releasing the full game on a competitors platform. I would take the later any day. Btw, Sony does the timed exclusives games too.
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Urrr you know that most games are more relevant hype wise and sales wise on the first month of release right? And not having a small part of the map although bad isn't as bad as not having the game at all for 1 year.
LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:
Considering MS abandon their consoles at the end of life, and how old X1 already is then sure I can see these gamings releasing only on X2.
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They released games for the 360 a decade after it launched. And now they support BC for that console so that you can bring that library and continue to buy games for it on its successor. You have a fucking bizarre definition of "abandon". Maybe you meant to say Microsoft one time abandoned one of their consoles over a decade ago so they might do it again. To which I'd reply one time Sony abandoned the Vita so hey they might do it again.
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Do you really want to go and show how much support MS themselves gave X360 in the latest years of its life? And yes Sony may abbandon PS4 in the latter life, just doesn't seem it would be the case considering PS1,2,3
Zekkyou said:
I look forward to seeing what they have in the pipeline, but what were they doing 2 - 3 years ago? |
They were focusing on HW as said by Phill Spencer himself. Aparently they dedicated the whole MS teams for 3 years to release X1X and forgot to make games for it.
zero129 said:
DonFerrari said:
You are basing all your argument on one single poll. That agrees with your narrative, so don't push a point to then deflect and say each will use it as they see fit.
Yes people were happy with MS event, and most probably didn't even noticed that basically all that was show on MS show will be present on PS4 while several of the games on PS4 presentation won't go to X1. And sorry, but I do care about results. So if the E3 don't result in more sales then iit was just wasted money. Or does MS runs a NGO?
Yes sales determine better, not the one that is better to your taste, but better at attending customer need and perception. So yes Bettle is a better car than a Ferrari in several ways. But to someone that doesn't see that a marketing purpose on "winning" is selling more I wouldn't hope to understand this.
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I guess also PSVR is crap then?, Google cardboard is clearly the better product since it has like 10+ Million users compared to PSVR..
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Nope, on where did I say the one selling less is crap? But yes Google cardboard is a better market product, more people is interested and using it than any other VR device.
Pemalite said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Yeah and signing exclusives sounds like commissioning new ips from outsiders.
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I don't think it matters if the exclusives come from "outsiders". As long as they get those damn exclusives.
Halo, Fable, Gears were all from non-Microsoft owned developers at one point.
ShadowSoldier said:
Hubris man. That's exactly what you're seeing. The PS3 did a good job on humbling SONY. MS will never learn at this rate.
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Lack of exclusives have been a thorn in Microsoft's side for decades.
But to state they never learn is a little far-fetched. Plenty of examples where there has been a big uproar and Microsoft has made big changes to make people happy.
VAMatt said:
I'd like to see them do more with Halo. It is their biggest IP , but we only get a game every 3 years or so.
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I think giving the franchise a rest for a few years is probably a good thing. Hopefully we don't get another Master Chief Collection or Halo 5 disaster.
Since 2009 we have basically had a Halo of some form released every single year.
DonFerrari said:
Yet Switch is outdoing X1 on sales (HW and SW position on Amazon).
And having zero real exclusives, and just a small quantity of AAA platform exclusives sure makes one win an E3, making all Sony fans dirt their pants right?
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Nintendo deserved that success. They had the right game, the right hardware (Even if I wanted more), the right form factor all at the right time. And they have been rewarded with that. So good on them. Zelda proved to be a massive hit that helped drive the Switch's success and branding.
It's actually outperforming the Xbox One and Playstation 4 consoles sales combined according to VGChartz. (364k vs combined 260k. For the week of April 29th.)
barneystinson69 said:
This guy man. He said this 2-3 years ago...
...I have little reason to believe otherwise.
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They sure did.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-investing-1-billion-into-xbox-one-games/1100-6408992/
$1 Billion in games they apparantly invested in.
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Yep, although I don't care about console being portable or playing on the go, so far Switch have been paying off to nintendo, so yes although Sony showed more games to my interest I could understand people saying Nintendo show was better than PS one.
zero129 said:
smroadkill15 said:
A company is withholding content from another platform for not just an extended period, but a lifetime for some games. Compare it to having console exclusivity for a few month, then releasing the full game on a competitors platform. I would take the later any day. Btw, Sony does the timed exclusives games too.
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Sony are the ones who made buying exclusives a thing. How else do people think they got all them devs to support them in the PS1 and 2 days?.
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By not being a bully like Nintendo and them just by sheer userbase size?
Zekkyou said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Uhh... Forza games, Gears 4, Sea of Theives, Crackdown 3, Halo Wars 2, Quantum Break, Recore, State of Decay 2, delivering on some sort of Phantom Dust release, continued support of KI, more stuff in Halo 5, numerous other small games.
They did things, solid things. They just need a few new AAA projects to change their image it seems.
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I didn't say they've done nothing, i'm just wondering what they were doing 2 - 3 years ago that resulted in the absence of much new being announced at E3 from their major 1st and 2nd party studios.
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Just answered you above.
Essay Pro