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Teeqoz on 13 June 2017
NATO said:

Because if it isn't reading the data from the disk, then the disk is just a license check and not physical compatibility.

No different from downloading a rom and playing it on an emulator because you have the original cart for that rom sat next to you on your desk - you aren't playing the actual cartidge you're just using ownership of it, to justify emulating.

 

Vor said:

Because it's no different from emulation. MS just using the "official" way to do it, unlike using it on emulator. Besides software based emulation is different from physical BC.

 

RJ_Sizzle said:

Can you really call it physical b/c when your disc is really just a key? Maybe I'm just picking nits here. True b/c was when you put a disc in the system, and it was good to go. It didn't need a disc in hopes to fish a copy you hope had been emulated. I see the OP's point. B/C in the traditional sense seems to have died with Nintendo.

You guys are really grasping at straws here, and I don't say that to be rude. It literally has no effect on the game your playing, and you still get the games you own physical copies of. Does it really bother people that much that the disc is not physically inside the console every time you play the game, since you only had to insert it the first time?



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RJ_Sizzle on 13 June 2017
Teeqoz said:

You guys are really grasping at straws here, and I don't say that to be rude. It literally has no effect on the game your playing, and you still get the games you own physical copies of. Does it really bother people that much that the disc is not physically inside the console every time you play the game, since you only had to insert it the first time?

We are? Since you need the disc to even play the game you downloaded I say that has quite a big effect. Having the ability to play the old game on the console is fantastic, but calling it true physical b/c is the straw that's being grasped.



Teeqoz on 13 June 2017
RJ_Sizzle said:
Teeqoz said:

You guys are really grasping at straws here, and I don't say that to be rude. It literally has no effect on the game your playing, and you still get the games you own physical copies of. Does it really bother people that much that the disc is not physically inside the console every time you play the game, since you only had to insert it the first time?

We are? Since you need the disc to even play the game you downloaded I say that has quite a big effect. Having the ability to play the old game on the console is fantastic, but calling it true physical b/c is the straw that's being grasped.

I'm just asking why in the world it matters wether the game is actually being read from the disc or from the harddrive. Newsflash, none of the PS4 and XBO games are read from the disc, they all install to the harddrive. It's just silly distinction to make "Oh, yeah sure, you can use your disc to play the game on the next generation console, but it's not really physical BC".



greencactaur on 13 June 2017

If PS5 doesn't carry over my digital library i'll be very hesitant to buy the console. With PC i've had my steam account for easily over 5 years, and my games are still with me. As for physical BC I mean like teeqoz said it's mainly due to physical dying.



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RJ_Sizzle on 13 June 2017
Teeqoz said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

We are? Since you need the disc to even play the game you downloaded I say that has quite a big effect. Having the ability to play the old game on the console is fantastic, but calling it true physical b/c is the straw that's being grasped.

I'm just asking why in the world it matters wether the game is actually being read from the disc or from the harddrive. Newsflash, none of the PS4 and XBO games are read from the disc, they all install to the harddrive. It's just silly distinction to make "Oh, yeah sure, you can use your disc to play the game on the next generation console, but it's not really physical BC".

Because it's not really physical b/c? I mean, I can download and stream games that were made for consoles to my PC, but I'm not going to call it physical b/c, even if I needed a disc to unlock it. There's enough content on most of the discs you buy for consoles that upload to your machine. There is ZERO of the content on your 360 disc that's being ripped from your previous gen copy of the game being installed on Xbox One. There's a distinct difference. You will always need that disc to download an entire new copy of the game from their servers on any different Xbox One to play it on. your disc ONLY functions as a key. 

True physical b/c is being able to pop in the game and being good to go on that unit you're palying on, whether it's ripped or streamed from the disc. This form of gaming is going the way of the dodo though.



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NATO on 13 June 2017
Teeqoz said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

We are? Since you need the disc to even play the game you downloaded I say that has quite a big effect. Having the ability to play the old game on the console is fantastic, but calling it true physical b/c is the straw that's being grasped.

I'm just asking why in the world it matters wether the game is actually being read from the disc or from the harddrive. Newsflash, none of the PS4 and XBO games are read from the disc, they all install to the harddrive. It's just silly distinction to make "Oh, yeah sure, you can use your disc to play the game on the next generation console, but it's not really physical BC".

Okay then answer me this.

Can you play an xbox one or ps4 game without an internet connection if all you have is a disk?

Can you play an xbox 360 game on an xbox one without an internet connection if all you have is the disk?

The point is, if you have true hardware backwards compatibility your ability to play that game does not hinge on if you have an internet connection, or if the service that provides the downloaded content is still in operation, or if you have the available space to download that content to your machine.

You would pop the disk in, and play.

It makes a HUGE difference.



Vor on 14 June 2017
Johnw1104 said:
The Atari 7800 could play physical Atari 2600 games back in 1986.

I guess I wasn't old enough



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darkknightkryta on 14 June 2017
vivster said:
darkknightkryta said:

You do realize Windows 10 refeuses to read floppy disk drives?

You do realize that Windows is an open platform and that there are several ways around that? Then there are also several other operating systems. Isn't PC a great platform?

I don't think the hassle to figure out getting a DOS emulator running in Linux, assuming any Linux distro still supports floppy drives is worth anything.  You're also missing the entire point of what i said....



vivster on 14 June 2017
darkknightkryta said:
vivster said:

You do realize that Windows is an open platform and that there are several ways around that? Then there are also several other operating systems. Isn't PC a great platform?

I don't think the hassle to figure out getting a DOS emulator running in Linux, assuming any Linux distro still supports floppy drives is worth anything.  You're also missing the entire point of what i said....

The point is that it's possible and free. BC died already with the second console generation.



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darkknightkryta on 16 June 2017
vivster said:
darkknightkryta said:

I don't think the hassle to figure out getting a DOS emulator running in Linux, assuming any Linux distro still supports floppy drives is worth anything.  You're also missing the entire point of what i said....

The point is that it's possible and free. BC died already with the second console generation.

You're missing the point of what I said :P