| SkyerIst_Huiesos said: that is very bad for nintendo |
why? the critic score is close to splatoon (new ip too)
| SkyerIst_Huiesos said: that is very bad for nintendo |
why? the critic score is close to splatoon (new ip too)
Einsam_Delphin said:
Like you said new Fighters are more screwed as they're expected to have as many characters as long running series. It's definitely easier for a brand new RPG or Platformer where you can't simplify the game down to how many characters it has. I never said they could or should. A most ideal way would be to go back and update their reviews to accurately reflect the current state of the game, but they're not gonna do that, thus their reviews will become irrelevant. |
They are not "screwed". If that were the case, ARMS would be sub 60. Reviewers are more lenient with new fighters than old. If SF came out with 10 fighters, it would get skinned alive. But they won't nor should not just give it a pass.
And it's not 'easier' for those games. It could be argued it's harder as they have MORE bases to cover. It's just less likely for them to launch in the state fighting games can, with a lack of content with more coming for free later. In RPGs the content is usually more interconnected, meaning you can't just leave pieces out. The only game in a similarish vein to try this was Destiny and that game wasn't exactly acclaimed for it's practice.
I've expected a similar score to Splatoon, and that's it. Pretty solid score for a first game on a new IP.
| ktay95 said: Seems like lack of content is what's hurting it the most. I mean if a reviewer isn't a hardcore fighting game fan the lack of story mode a la Mortal Kombat or Injustice will have a massive negative impact. On the plus side we are getting free content post launch, plus for those who want to dig deep into the mechanics and competitive meta these issues play a lot less into our purchasing decisions. |
Arms isn't exactly a game made for hardcore fighting game fans lol
Einsam_Delphin said:
Like you said new Fighters are more screwed as they're expected to have as many characters as long running series. It's definitely easier for a brand new RPG or Platformer where you can't simplify the game down to how many characters it has. I never said they could or should. A most ideal way would be to go back and update their reviews to accurately reflect the current state of the game, but they're not gonna do that, thus their reviews will become irrelevant. |
I can't see how that's true. I've read several reviews for both Tekken 7 and ARMS and, if you compare the text without seeing the score, you'd think Tekken 7 was a much more polished and complete package. In a vacuum, that the scores are only a few points apart seems kind of ridiculous, to be honest. ARMS isn't expected to surpass all other fighting games in the same way as Tekken 7 and isn't being judged as harshly.

That score is about what I expected. During testpunch it seemed fun, but not as fun as Splatoon. Still a great addition to new Nintendo ip:s and I can´t wait to see how much will it elvolves with the new content.
| Nuvendil said:
They are not "screwed". If that were the case, ARMS would be sub 60. Reviewers are more lenient with new fighters than old. If SF came out with 10 fighters, it would get skinned alive. But they won't nor should not just give it a pass. |
Screwed out of high scores (9s n 10s) yes, you even agreed with that earlier.
That's why it's easier because reviewers have to more evenly judge the whole package instead of putting so much weight on a single aspect.
| pokoko said:
I can't see how that's true. I've read several reviews for both Tekken 7 and ARMS and, if you compare the text without seeing the score, you'd think Tekken 7 was a much more polished and complete package. In a vacuum, that the scores are only a few points apart seems kind of ridiculous, to be honest. ARMS isn't expected to surpass all other fighting games in the same way as Tekken 7 and isn't being judged as harshly. |
I don't really know anything about Tekken 7 but I'll take your word for it. So it's not so much expectations and more that review scores are just really inconsistent. The more games you start comparing with the more nonsensical the scores look. My initial post where I pointed out how despite ARMS clearly being the far superior game it's only two points higher than Pokken gives more credence to this.
Oh yeah, guess I forgot this is why I don't care about review scores to begin with, that and how I can formulate my own judgments of course. :L
Einsam_Delphin said:
Screwed out of high scores (9s n 10s) yes, you even agreed with that earlier. That's why it's easier because reviewers have to more evenly judge the whole package instead of putting so much weight on a single aspect.
I don't really know anything about Tekken 7 but I'll take your word for it. So it's not so much expectations and more that review scores are just really inconsistent. The more games you start comparing with the more nonsensical the scores look. My initial post where I pointed out how despite ARMS clearly being the far superior game it's only two points higher than Pokken gives more credence to this. Oh yeah, guess I forgot this is why I don't care about review scores to begin with, that and how I can formulate my own judgments of course. :L |
Well no I think his point is that Tekken is the more content rich game but that doesn't result in it blowing ARMS out of the water because it's the seventh game, it should have more. And review scores will have variance yes. Humans review games and no matter how knowledgeable or analytical a reviewer is, he is still human and will have some degree of opinion woven in.
| Nuvendil said:
Well no I think his point is that Tekken is the more content rich game but that doesn't result in it blowing ARMS out of the water because it's the seventh game, it should have more. And review scores will have variance yes. Humans review games and no matter how knowledgeable or analytical a reviewer is, he is still human and will have some degree of opinion woven in. |
I didn't say his point was anything else, only that his example further plays into my point. Also, humans review games? Gee I had no idea!
spemanig said:
Arms isn't exactly a game made for hardcore fighting game fans lol |
Niether is Smash Bros