That's great and all -- I'm glad that they are supporting 1080p -- but, there is a key sentence there: "For TV sets that can support it". I'd be willing to bet that 1080P penetration in the homes in the U.S. is less than 5%. How about some games and a price drop instead (or in addition to?)

Revenue means nothing without profit. The 25 to 30k amount advantage the PS3 has in Japanese sales is nothing compared to the 90k plus advantage the 360 has in the North American market. The PS3 would have to be selling at least 55k to 60k a month more in Europe just to keep pace with the 360. Can you provide some legit 360 and PS3 sales numbers from Europe to indicate that this is occurring?

Even if HDTV penetration were 5%, that does not mean people are watching HDTV content, or even have BR/HDDVD players. It just means they are getting bigger tv's that are thinner. Thats the case in my house. Love the widescreen.

I see your lips moving, but all I hear is blah blah blah...

No.

You offer us a credible source saying the PS3 is outselling the Xbox 360 in Europe at all, never mind by
100k per month, or I'm going to start ignoring you as a bad troll.

Sad how any thread that starts out with Sony ends up with Larry defending the company from a dozen flammers who bring things that are way off topic into the debate. Regardless, I wonder just how effective this upscaling is. I mean, I "upscale" pictures all the time and they just get pixelated. How can you possibly add pixels to a game/movie made 10 years ago? If the PS3 can pull it off without making the picture looks wierd, thats impressive :O

 Very true.  The numbers from the "experts" are all over the place, but Engadget says 28% of americans own an HDTV set as of April 2007.  The only data I could find was a quote from a mitsubishi exec stating that 1.5% of HD sets in 2006 were 1080p capable.  If that's the case, 5% is probably quite high of an estimate.

The whole "penetration level" of HD is a big part of the reason the PS3 is doing so poorly.  There are an awful lot of people like me who just don't care about it.  I've got a Sony Wega that I'm quite happy with.  I don't intend to upgrade to HD for at least another year and then only because I want a larger format TV without taking up space.  That makes the whole 1080P and Blue-ray a moot point for me.  As I've always said, first next gen box to $299 wins. (at least my money)

What the heck Larry? You are spouting a lot of stuff you can't back up. Look there is nothing wrong with liking one system more then others and showing your support for that system, but don't make up sales figures in an attempt to make the other system look worse and yours better. Defend with facts. Really, you shouldn't need to have the best selling system to justify your purchase. Why do you feel the need for everyone around you to agree that it's the best way to go?

Anyway, on the original subject: awesome. Some games though actually don't look good when upscaled. I don't like the jagged edges that appear. Still, very cool for DVDs. Just another reason I wish I could afford a PS3!

And Eab, Larry is the one falsifying figures in order to bash other consoles, all anyone is asking for from him is to present facts and justify his claims. 

I'm guessing you just directed this at the first mod you saw, since I had nothing to do with Hus being banned.  You can take this however you like, but I would have to say that you are a lot closer to being banned than Hus is to being unbanned.

 This thread has gotten way off track (big surprise) and will be locked shortly if some real discussion doesn't start taking place.  Take the sales bickering elsewhere.

 They don't add pixels, because in PS2 and PS1 games they use vector graphics, so it is possible to upscale them. Don't really understand how it works though, nor do I understand how you can upscale DVDs.

 In reference to how well the PS3 is selling in the UK check out this site: http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=20070518164543812084&releaseId=20060314132311609002

The site has news/features on all consoles so it's an unbiased site aswell.