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Forums - Politics - Bill O’Reilly Is Forced Out at Fox News

KLXVER said:

Comedians walk a very fine line and take into account dozens of factors when making a joke.  And this is referring to major comedians.  There are very specific contexts in a comedy club which are taken into account.  I really don't want to get into comedy clubs being used as an example because they are such a complicated example with very specific circumstances.  They put their jokes through a thorough vetting process to make sure they aren't offensive to anyone.  Yes they make jokes that can be perceived as sexist if you disect them, but there's a lot of careful considerations being made there.  

Take Jon Stewart, host of the Daily Show, he often jokes about the Jewish, but he's jewish himself.  He also avoids all the jokes that Jews really find offensive like oven jokes.  And if he does reference those, it will be in response to a clip of someone else making that joke who really shouldn't have been making that joke.  

This is why you shouldn't even use those jokes unless you're a professional.  This may as well be rocket science considering how carefully it needs to be done.  



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Soundwave said:
KLXVER said:

Not just some guy. A famous guy. You would probably think he was joking. Otherwise he would be in jail for murder.

If he said it and then there were allegations of him murdering someone, lol I'd probably think "yeah that dude is guilty as fuck". 

Were there any allegations of this before the recordings were released? All of them seems to have come 2-4 days after that.



barneystinson69 said:

Guy was an idiot. This coming from a conservative, its good to see him go. He was an awful anchor.

Hannity is a bigger moron. 



Bandorr said:
Zkuq said:

Has he been convicted? No? Then he should keep his job. Innocent until proven guilty and all that stuff, you know.

Sponsers are leaving. The company is losing a ton of money. The company wants those Sponsers back. The Company is cutting him.

Unless you think a company should be forced to hemorrhage money.

I said they could have just frozen his career until proper judgement is made.

Soundwave said:
Zkuq said:

Has he been convicted? No? Then he should keep his job. Innocent until proven guilty and all that stuff, you know.

Should Bill Cosby get a TV show too? 

Corporate advertisers aren't a court of law either, if they don't want to advertise because you have the stink of sexual assualt around you as a TV personality, there's no law saying they have to give you the benefit of the doubt. 

And that's why O'Reilly got fired. Not because Fox probably knows damn well he's been harrassing women for years now. It's because advertisers don't want to be associated with that and they don't want to lose advertisers. 

I specifically said they could have just frozen his career, including canning his show too. Also, the world sucks for the reasons you mentioned, but I suppose that's reality.



DarkD said:
KLXVER said:

Comedians walk a very fine line and take into account dozens of factors when making a joke.  And this is referring to major comedians.  There are very specific contexts in a comedy club which are taken into account.  I really don't want to get into comedy clubs being used as an example because they are such a complicated example with very specific circumstances.  They put their jokes through a thorough vetting process to make sure they aren't offensive to anyone.  Yes they make jokes that can be perceived as sexist if you disect them, but there's a lot of careful considerations being made there.  

Take Jon Stewart, host of the Daily Show, he often jokes about the Jewish, but he's jewish himself.  He also avoids all the jokes that Jews really find offensive like oven jokes.  And if he does reference those, it will be in response to a clip of someone else making that joke who really shouldn't have been making that joke.  

This is why you shouldn't even use those jokes unless you're a professional.  This may as well be rocket science considering how carefully it needs to be done.  

Being a comedian is also a craft. It takes years and years of paying dues and getting booed off stages and failed material before most comedians have any taste of success. 

I wouldn't watch a dentist for 10 minutes and then magically think I can do what a dentist can do and try to extract a tooth from someone. 

Comedy is a pretty tough profession actually. You have to generally be very, very smart to be able to get there and have balls of steel to withstand the crushing rejection you're going to go through at points, you have to be very strong in how you frame the topics you do talk about too. 



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DarkD said:
KLXVER said:

Comedians walk a very fine line and take into account dozens of factors when making a joke.  And this is referring to major comedians.  There are very specific contexts in a comedy club which are taken into account.  I really don't want to get into comedy clubs being used as an example because they are such a complicated example with very specific circumstances.  They put their jokes through a thorough vetting process to make sure they aren't offensive to anyone.  Yes they make jokes that can be perceived as sexist if you disect them, but there's a lot of careful considerations being made there.  

Take Jon Stewart, host of the Daily Show, he often jokes about the Jewish, but he's jewish himself.  He also avoids all the jokes that Jews really find offensive like oven jokes.  And if he does reference those, it will be in response to a clip of someone else making that joke who really shouldn't have been making that joke.  

This is why you shouldn't even use those jokes unless you're a professional.  This may as well be rocket science considering how carefully it needs to be done.  

True, but that doesnt stop comedians from being targeted. Everything is offensive these days. Dave Chappelle was recently accused of being homophobic and sexist and whatever other words are being thrown around. I just believe in innocent until proven guilty. If Trump is proven to be guilty by a court of law, then Ill shut my mouth.



so he is a jobless welfare queen now, good



Bandorr said:
Zkuq said:

Has he been convicted? No? Then he should keep his job. Innocent until proven guilty and all that stuff, you know.

Sponsers are leaving. The company is losing a ton of money. The company wants those Sponsers back. The Company is cutting him.

Unless you think a company should be forced to hemorrhage money.

The funny thing is, I bet even if those sponsors come back, Fox isn't going to be able to get as much money from them when the ratings drop.  It's the same thing the left tried to do to Rush a few years back and sponsors decided to drop him. He stuck it out, got new sponsors, while the ones who left him saw their sales drop.  Some tried to come back but he refused.  Same thing happened to Glenn Beck, too. Of course, most of the people saying they were dropping their sponsorships then were never even sponsors to begin with. Bet the same is true here, as well.



thismeintiel said:
Bandorr said:

Sponsers are leaving. The company is losing a ton of money. The company wants those Sponsers back. The Company is cutting him.

Unless you think a company should be forced to hemorrhage money.

The funny thing is, I bet even if those sponsors come back, Fox isn't going to be able to get as much money from them when the ratings drop.  It's the same thing the left tried to do to Rush a few years back and sponsors decided to drop him. He stuck it out, got new sponsors, while the ones who left him saw their sales drop.  Some tried to come back but he refused.  Same thing happened to Glenn Beck, too. Of course, most of the people saying they were dropping their sponsorships then were never even sponsors to begin with. Bet the same is true here, as well.

Corporations like Coca-Cola have billions of dollars and in some cases billions of consumers to think about. Bill O' Reilly and his rinky dink little cable TV show that reaches a few million people in Hicktown USA (he averages 2.8 million viewers) is not worth tarnishing your brand over. There are a million other ways to advertise your product and plenty of other highly rated TV programs. 

To be honest in the grand scheme of things, his ratings are not that impressive. A show like Supergirl which was lambasted for low ratings had about 2.2 million viewers on most nights, a hit TV show like "The Walking Dead" gets over 11 million just from the 18-49 demo alone. 



KLXVER said:

True, but that doesnt stop comedians from being targeted. Everything is offensive these days. Dave Chappelle was recently accused of being homophobic and sexist and whatever other words are being thrown around. I just believe in innocent until proven guilty. If Trump is proven to be guilty by a court of law, then Ill shut my mouth.

Now we're talking about Trump?  Which charge? The Russia thing I admit is still ongoing so I won't go into it.  His business though is undeniably impeachable.  Republicans just don't want to lose their seats for impeaching him for it.  They're waiting until either he loses enough support or democrats take over congress so they can do it.  

If you're talking about the sex tapes, well that's pretty much as borderline as you can possibly get.  There are 13 year old witnesses who state that Trump walked in on them in the dressing rooms. There's a tape of him admitting to doing exactly that. I'm honestly surprised that we can't take him to court for it....

And yes, comedians do get their feet held to the fire every now and then.  I did say that they walked a very fine line and even the top comedians trip over that line occasionally.