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Forums - Nintendo - Looking At Tegra Xavier -- The Next-Gen Switch Chip

HoloDust on 20 April 2017
Pemalite said:
HoloDust said:

So while nVidia might pull off SoC that can indeed deliver 20DLTOPS at 20W, I really doubt its FLOPS rating would be anywhere near PX2.

Deep Learning Operations (DLTOPS) is a theoretical number anyway. It's probably even more irrellevent to gaming performance than tflops.

JRPGfan said:

Everytime Nvidia does some crazy sounding PR, someone on a forum always runs away with it, and blows it out of proportions.

It happends every time. Not sure why, when they so often fail to live up to their insane PR talk, esp with their Mobile chips.

Happens with AMD as well. I mean... Everyone thought Ryzen was going to smash Intel out of the Park.
The same happened with Bulldozer, everyone thought AMD was "returning" with their new "FX" chips.

If anyone had paid attention to the engineering samples and listened to experts, they would have known better.

Yeah, I think DLTOPS are quite irrelevant for gaming,

As for Ryzen - not sure who expected what, but Ryzen do smash Intel, especially if price is taken into account, in quite a few tasks - just not in gaming.



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JRPGfan on 20 April 2017
HoloDust said:
Pemalite said:

Deep Learning Operations (DLTOPS) is a theoretical number anyway. It's probably even more irrellevent to gaming performance than tflops.

Happens with AMD as well. I mean... Everyone thought Ryzen was going to smash Intel out of the Park.
The same happened with Bulldozer, everyone thought AMD was "returning" with their new "FX" chips.

If anyone had paid attention to the engineering samples and listened to experts, they would have known better.

Yeah, I think DLTOPS are quite irrelevant for gaming,

As for Ryzen - not sure who expected what, but Ryzen do smash Intel, especially if price is taken into account, in quite a few tasks - just not in gaming.

In some games optimised for it, Ryzen comes out ahead.

Also for streaming (software), they re doing alot better than Intel counterparts.

Ryzen is much better than bulldozer was, its kinda unfair to compair its launch to that of bulldozer's.

Ryzen is alot more competitive than bulldozer ever was.



HoloDust on 20 April 2017
JRPGfan said:
HoloDust said:

Yeah, I think DLTOPS are quite irrelevant for gaming,

As for Ryzen - not sure who expected what, but Ryzen do smash Intel, especially if price is taken into account, in quite a few tasks - just not in gaming.

In some games optimised for it, Ryzen comes out ahead.

Also for streaming (software), they re doing alot better than Intel counterparts.

Ryzen is much better than bulldozer was, its kinda unfair to compair its launch to that of bulldozer's.

Ryzen is alot more competitive than bulldozer ever was.

Indeed it does, it's just that it doesn't smash Intel in gaming as opposed to tasks such as rendering and encoding...for the price, of course.



Soundwave on 20 April 2017

Would TOPS (trillions of operations per second) have any relevance? Nvidia claims Xavier will be able to do 20 TOPS at 20 watts.



Pemalite on 20 April 2017
HoloDust said:

As for Ryzen - not sure who expected what, but Ryzen do smash Intel, especially if price is taken into account, in quite a few tasks - just not in gaming.

Do they really though? AMD has no high-end motherboard/chipset. (Yet.)
AMD has no Chips that exceed 8-cores. (Yet.)
AMD has no chips with integrated graphics. (Yet.)
AMD Ryzen in a fair few benchmarks performs like a Core i5, especially in the majority of games.
AMD's chips are shit at overclocking. Most top out at around 4ghz.

But you are right, once you factor in price then it's a completely different ball game.

But as it stands, I would still opt for Intel over AMD if price isn't an issue.

JRPGfan said:

Ryzen is much better than bulldozer was, its kinda unfair to compair its launch to that of bulldozer's.

Ryzen is alot more competitive than bulldozer ever was.

No one in the history of this thread said that Ryzen isn't much better than bulldozer.

It's entirely fair to compare it's launch against Bulldozers. They are both AMD's big CPU releases. Just like how Bulldozer was compared to Stars.

HoloDust said:

Indeed it does, it's just that it doesn't smash Intel in gaming as opposed to tasks such as rendering and encoding...for the price, of course.

Encoding can leverage a ton of Threads, it's only natural AMD's chips shine in those scenario's when AMD is willing to sell you more cores for the price than Intel.

AMD's Quad and Hex core chips are amazing value for money. It's made Intels entire Core i5 and i3 lineup redundant.




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HoloDust on 21 April 2017
Soundwave said:
Would TOPS (trillions of operations per second) have any relevance? Nvidia claims Xavier will be able to do 20 TOPS at 20 watts.

I'm not programmer (well, not for last 25 years), so I can't say with certainty, but I don't think 8-bit integers (the way TOPS are measured) have a lot of use in games.

Pemalite said:
HoloDust said:

As for Ryzen - not sure who expected what, but Ryzen do smash Intel, especially if price is taken into account, in quite a few tasks - just not in gaming.

Do they really though? AMD has no high-end motherboard/chipset. (Yet.)
AMD has no Chips that exceed 8-cores. (Yet.)
AMD has no chips with integrated graphics. (Yet.)
AMD Ryzen in a fair few benchmarks performs like a Core i5, especially in the majority of games.
AMD's chips are shit at overclocking. Most top out at around 4ghz.

But you are right, once you factor in price then it's a completely different ball game.

But as it stands, I would still opt for Intel over AMD if price isn't an issue.

HoloDust said:

Indeed it does, it's just that it doesn't smash Intel in gaming as opposed to tasks such as rendering and encoding...for the price, of course.

Encoding can leverage a ton of Threads, it's only natural AMD's chips shine in those scenario's when AMD is willing to sell you more cores for the price than Intel.

AMD's Quad and Hex core chips are amazing value for money. It's made Intels entire Core i5 and i3 lineup redundant.

Well yeah, I'm kinda looking at Ryzen for what it offers for price - 1800X with 8 cores goes toe to toe (and wins in many cases) with 6900K with 8 cores in heavily multi-threaded tasks, at half the price.

And as you said, i5s and i3s are rendered almost completely useless...well, except for games, until devs really move on from 4 cores.