if final fantasy xiii misses december/january in japan
and november/december in north america
(it won't make europe for sure)

then that's a real screw up
that would mean mean a third holiday season in japan and america without final fantasy
and considering it's one of the biggest playstation exclusives
it IS significant, specially in japan, where sony has also lost dragon quest ix for its console..

Sony will make more on Blu-Ray than on their games division. So yes, they really "won".

Get over any of your fanboy believes, and just look at it from a purely facts and numbers perspective.

It just takes a little bit intelligence to see if a product that is $400 or higher is out selling cheeper comp while coming close to sales of a $250 product, its future is very bright.  Especially if that product has yet to have even one true AAA title. 

If blu-ray takes the place of DVD(which is unlikely) they would make more than double of what they make of there other divisions combined.

redarmia
the fact that something (ps3) is doing better than something else (360)
doesn't mean that it will hit 100 mill

because if the ps3 ends at 50 mill
and the 360 ends at 48 mill

that statement is still true, eventhough the ps3 didn't come close to the 100 mill

 Correct and if you look at the PS2's sales over the course of its life the 2nd holiday spike is its first big one.  The third is even bigger (and held the record for most hardware sales in a single week until the DS took it this last X-mas).  The point we are making is that not just that they are misaligned but that its also comparing against a period of PS2 sales before it really took off as the major success we all think of it as.

 This graph illustrates this well.

Even the Wii is overshadowed by the PS2 sales after its first big holiday. 

Do we have any evidence of this?

Even if you assume the sale of 10 Billion Blu-Ray discs per year at an average of $5 licencing fee per disc, 1 Billion Blu-Ray players at an average licencing fee of $25 per player, and that Sony is the only company that gets any licencing revenues this would still be less than the $76 Billion in Revenues Sony made last year; on top of this all of these assumptions are unrealistic, the licencing fees are (or at least will be) smaller, there are several companies who will get licencing fees, and I doubt 10 Billion DVDs are sold per year.

+1 to Ajax, for being persuaded by logic.

+1 to Sqrl, for doing the persuading.

Sorry pal, but the PS3 is a gaming console first and foremost, not the other way around as you suggest. To claim otherwise is just a convenient way to discredit the Wii.

You might as well say that the PS2 was in the DVD market and not a direct competitor of the Gamecube. But this would undermine the tremendous success Sony enjoyed last generation.

The PS3 will never be as succesful as the PS2, and in this respect it 's a reletive failure. The Wii has obviously attributed to this situation because they both compete for the same gamers.