Students beat classmate to death screaming Allahu Akbar (New graphic video)

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nil8r153 on 19 April 2017

Kyuu said:

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"I never understood this particular Islamic instruction. I don't understand many Islamic instructions, but this one in particular gets under my skin and makes me vomit, especially when most, if not all, Muslims living here in Europe defend it.

Why is apostasy's punishment is "undoubtedly" death? Especially when it comes to this "beaten to death student" kind of situations."

The reason it is undoubtedly so is because the Prophet ﷺ commanded it. When it comes to clear texts such as that one there isn't any room for interpretation or change, it is what it is. You say most, if not all - it should be all if they truly understand the religion.

The penalty for apostasy doesn't exist in Quran. Hadith are debatable especially when the narration in question is singular and arguably contradicts clear verses form the Quran. Not to mention that text without historical context is meaningless. So yes, there is actually plenty of room for interpretation.

No, saheeh ahadeeth are not debatable except in the books of modernists and quranists, I hope you don't belong to either camp.

So the numerous ahadeeth that establish the hadd for ridda are ahad? and in your books ahad now means the hadeeth is debatable? What a tremendous error.

"text without historical context is meaningless" ahh ok, there is context, but that is neither here nor there. There is an asl that the circumstances of revelation do not limit the ruling. Modernists attempt to bring up the "historical context" to wash away anything their intellect has trouble accepting, when in reality it does nothing to change the ruling. This is an issue upon which there is ijma', don't twist and turn to try and appease the haters.

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nil8r153 on 19 April 2017

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You are 100% correct :)

It is an Islamic principle that the burden of proof is upon the claimant. Given my predisposition I would say the claimant is yourself, but regardlesss you still have a right to ask.

If you are after a more scientific approach then I offer you this:

http://www.hizb-australia.org/2016/09/shaykh-taqiuddin-nabhanis-argument-for-god/

If you have heard it spouted endlessly that the Quran is a "miracle" but never understood why, then this should shed light on that:

http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/the-inimitable-quran/

I am happy to share more if these links create more questions. I leave you with a roughly translated quote from the esteemed scholar, Shaykh Al-Albaani (may Allah have mercy upon him):

The person who is seeking the truth, one evidence will be enough for him. A person who is upon their desires, a thousand evidences will still not be clear for him.

That's not evidence. There is no evidence that any god exists. Otherwise you would be posting scientific evidence instead of links to blogs of people who are a fans of Mohammad.

Whatever, science is your religion not mine. Doesn't affect me whatsoever. (Have you studied what constitutes an evidence perchance?)

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Dark_Lord_2008 on 19 April 2017

Have the offenders been apprehended by the police and prosecuted? That was a complete over reaction.

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dark_gh0st_b0y on 19 April 2017

nil8r153 said:

Lawlight said:

That's not evidence. There is no evidence that any god exists. Otherwise you would be posting scientific evidence instead of links to blogs of people who are a fans of Mohammad.

Whatever, science is your religion not mine. Doesn't affect me whatsoever. (Have you studied what constitutes an evidence perchance?)

proofs are for science... science is an art of god

the only proof for god's existance is feeling by believing

and it's not the miracle that leads to faith, the faith leads to the miracle

don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

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Lawlight on 19 April 2017

nil8r153 said:

Lawlight said:

That's not evidence. There is no evidence that any god exists. Otherwise you would be posting scientific evidence instead of links to blogs of people who are a fans of Mohammad.

Whatever, science is your religion not mine. Doesn't affect me whatsoever. (Have you studied what constitutes an evidence perchance?)

Evidence: Available body of facts. It's not rocket science - there is no need to study. Yeah, I know it doesn't affect you. People are free to believe that some fictional character exists. Like kids are free to believe that Santa Claus exists.