Students beat classmate to death screaming Allahu Akbar (New graphic video)

[nil8r153]

Kyuu said:

nil8r153 said:

 

"I never understood this particular Islamic instruction. I don't understand many Islamic instructions, but this one in particular gets under my skin and makes me vomit, especially when most, if not all, Muslims living here in Europe defend it. 

Why is apostasy's punishment is "undoubtedly" death? Especially when it comes to this "beaten to death student" kind of situations."

The reason it is undoubtedly so is because the Prophet ﷺ commanded it. When it comes to clear texts such as that one there isn't any room for interpretation or change, it is what it is. You say most, if not all - it should be all if they truly understand the religion.

The penalty for apostasy doesn't exist in Quran. Hadith are debatable especially when the narration in question is singular and arguably contradicts clear verses form the Quran. Not to mention that text without historical context is meaningless. So yes, there is actually plenty of room for interpretation.

No, saheeh ahadeeth are not debatable except in the books of modernists and quranists, I hope you don't belong to either camp.

So the numerous ahadeeth that establish the hadd for ridda are ahad? and in your books ahad now means the hadeeth is debatable? What a tremendous error.

"text without historical context is meaningless" ahh ok, there is context, but that is neither here nor there. There is an asl that the circumstances of revelation do not limit the ruling. Modernists attempt to bring up the "historical context" to wash away anything their intellect has trouble accepting, when in reality it does nothing to change the ruling. This is an issue upon which there is ijma', don't twist and turn to try and appease the haters.