360 has no splitscreen. unlike the PS3. for me that is bigger than any download content. me and my buddies can play at the same time now.

The gamerevolver.com website is bogus, or the other review that said the install took 85 min.?

The one which talked about the splitscreen was supposedly from cgreviews, but I don't know how someone could take it seriously... It was very badly written and didn't even look like a review, besides the author later declared that it was bogus.

How has that lower price (extremely low in Japan, and now Europe with the recent price cuts) been working out for them these past three months?

And GT5P will easily counteract any effect GTAIV DLC will have.  It's releasing only two weeks before GTAIV in NA, remember. 

Actually it's quite easy.

GTA4 will sell most on 360 in the States and on PS3 in Europe. Also the console sales will be divided that way. Why? Because in the US the 360 is much more known and loved and in Europe the PS3. The kind of people that bought the PS2 in masses bought it because they heard it was great. So, in the US there are much more people playing 360 than PS3, so much more people are familiar with it.

# GT5P and MGS4 are hardcore games, they have nothing to do with where the majority of GTA4 buyers will go (and yeah, GT5P is hardcore, ever seen a casual pay $40,- for the Prologue to a race-sim?). 

# Price isn't a big issue?!? Where do you live? Price is probably the main issue for casual gamers. You say that the recent trends show that it's not an issue, but the recent trend is nothing compared to what will be sold with GTA4, that won't be your 70.000 US week, I can tell you that. PS2 was already alot cheaper when GTA arrived.

# hmmm, you really think casuals will care about a bigger hardrive? They probably don't care about RRoD, because they never heard of it, or they know they'll get 3 years waranty.

Your bias becomes kind of obvious when you do think RRoD and harddrive space is an issue, but price/achievements and DLC won't.  

haha, Europe and others don't give a shit about the 360 and SONY will own there, guarnteed. Another thing yeah the 360 will have the advantage in the US from a software standpoint, duh. But I guarntee you MGS4 and GT5P which are probably billion dollar franchises will out do a measly $100 price difference. And wen u factor in Blu-Ray which everyone is gonna have, causuals will care about that and anyone u says they won't is a fool. The 360 arcade won't do shit factoring in GTA IV based off the fact it don't have a hard drive for the install. Multiplayer a new feature for the GTA series will help SONY more based off the fact the online is free and i guarntee u some causuals will have online and be aware about it. PS3 will have accomplishments so acheivements will cancel each other out. The episodic content u will have to pay for and if we are to belive that they don't finish GTA's then y the fuck would they want it. Hardware issues for the 360 won't help its image either. I'm not saying the cheaper price point wont do anything, it will just not as be as big as some people belive it will be.

Well i must say that the majority of gamers dont even know that a new GTA game is coming. Is those same gamers that look the back of the box in order to decide on buying a game and the same people that bought a Wii to watch movies (i do have one example of this lol, he actually put a dvd in the wii and then he found out that it doesnt plays them).
They will found out about GTA eventually, and what they know is that is a playstation game. some will go for the 360 but the majority will get it for the ps3.

SW: I see ps3 winning EU easily, in the US 360 will have a lot better first sales but in the long run will end up close.

HW: in ww hw sales in see ps3 moving a lot more consoles. No reason actually, im only judging by the sales of the 2 the last months.

Haha and with this new PS3 GTA IV bundle for Europe, PS3 is gonna own.