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Alkibiádēs on 14 April 2017
hunter_alien said:
But in the end IMO truly the better system won by a landslide. Sony simply did everything better than Nintendo. The 1st party output was fresh and came in large numbers, CD became a standard and their relationships with 3rd party developers was miles ahead of Nintendo.

And lets be honest. No matter how good Mario 64, Goldeneye or OoT was, the PS simply had the superior library.

I never hear someone talk about the PS1 library anymore besides FF VII, Castlevania and Crash Bandicoot. Nintendo had better games than that on their system. 



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5drew00 on 14 April 2017

That's all Nintendo had to do was put N64 games on CD instead of expensive carts and Nintendo would have beaten Sony PS1 in 1996 and won the generation and would be #1 today even before Switch..

N64 was an awesome system and sold a million systems rght off thanks to Super Mario 64. There were no other games though and 3rd parties flocked to PS1. GameCube was CD based and powerful too but too little too late. Sony won again with PS2 and even Xbox came in 2nd place.

Nintendo made a big comeback with Wii over 100 million systems sold but motion controllers became a fad and even Kinect eventually failed. The Wii U dud had graphics as good as 360 and PS3 but PS4 and Xbox One arrived a year later and Wii U disappeared.

Now Switch has sold over 900,000 systems in USA in March alone. Maybe Switch which is ironically cart based can win next generation even with Scorpio on horizon. Nintendo owes it to N64 which I would like compilation carts of on Switch! NES and SNES too!



snyps on 14 April 2017

OP is correct.


In sales, the N64 would have won with CDs. Maybe it was a technology issue where nintendo invested in 3D so hard that it failed to invest in discs. Nintendo likes to do everything propietary.... so I think we would have had only one or the other.



TheBlackNaruto on 14 April 2017
Alkibiádēs said:
hunter_alien said:
But in the end IMO truly the better system won by a landslide. Sony simply did everything better than Nintendo. The 1st party output was fresh and came in large numbers, CD became a standard and their relationships with 3rd party developers was miles ahead of Nintendo.

And lets be honest. No matter how good Mario 64, Goldeneye or OoT was, the PS simply had the superior library.

I never hear someone talk about the PS1 library anymore besides FF VII, Castlevania and Crash Bandicoot. Nintendo had better games than that on their system. 

Really? Then you must not talk to many people. Because they talk about WAY more games than that....Parasite Eve, Legend Of Dragoon, Tekken 3, Xenogears, MGS, Spyro, FF 8 and FF 9, Chrono Cross, Resident Evil, Legacy Of Kain, Vagrant Story, Parappa, Tony Hawk, SFA 3, Silent Hill and those are just off the top of my head that people still talk about when discussing the PS1. The PS1 BY FAR had more AND better games than the N64.....and there is nothing wrong with that. I still loved my N64 but the PS1 without question had more games and better games.....with far more variety.



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pokoko on 14 April 2017
RolStoppable said:
pokoko said:

Hold on a second.  The predictable "it's only evolutionary, not revolutionary" downplay aside, your comment makes no sense.

Controllers already had buttons.  Now the placement of the buttons is revolutionary?  You implied earlier that "more of the same" cannot be revolutionary, so which is it?  That's pretty clearly a double standard you've got going there.  

Ignoring the debate over more buttons being "more of the same", dual stick controls changed the way we played games.  The impact on the controls and structure of video-games was, without a shred of doubt, the start of a revolution in game design, particularly with the rise of FPP.  Yes, I know people are going to go down the "evolution vs. revolution" side-track but, honestly, who really cares?  Depending on semantics is often an act of desperation.  The importance of dual stick controls cannot be down-played.

There's no double standard here. Shoulder buttons aren't more face buttons. The difference between these two control inputs? You don't use your thumbs to press shoulder buttons.

I mentioned in my post that the C-buttons of the N64 already largely provided the functionality of a second stick, so games in FPP (stands for first person perspective, right?) found their first foothold on consoles on the Nintendo 64. Goldeneye should be known to everyone, but there were also several FPS that got ported from the PC to the N64 in the first couple of years of the console's lifecycle.

So placement is the key difference between evolution and revolution?  Or is it shape?  So if the right analog stick was on a different area of the controller or it was shaped differently, then it would be revolutionary.  Nevermind that the in-game function of the stick isn't the same, that's less important.  I see, I see.  

I'm sure the systems these design choices were used on doesn't influence the malleable nature of your opinions in the slightest.



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TheBlackNaruto on 14 April 2017
snyps said:
OP is correct.


In sales, the N64 would have won with CDs. Maybe it was a technology issue where nintendo invested in 3D so hard that it failed to invest in discs. Nintendo likes to do everything propietary.... so I think we would have had only one or the other.

Wait why would have it have one in sales JUST by choosing CDs? That literally makes no sense.....having a CD drive was not the determining factor as to why the N64 bomed....NNTNEDO was by making idiotic decisions and treating 3rd parties like crap....having a CD drive or not would not have made a difference.

Ka-pi96 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Really? Then you must not talk to many people. Because they talk about WAY more games than that....Parasite Eve, Legend Of Dragoon, Tekken 3, Xenogears, MGS, Spyro, FF 8 and FF 9, Chrono Cross, Resident Evil, Legacy Of Kain, Vagrant Story, Parappa, Tony Hawk, SFA 3, Silent Hill and those are just off the top of my head that people still talk about when discussing the PS1. The PS1 BY FAR had more AND better games than the N64.....and there is nothing wrong with that. I still loved my N64 but the PS1 without question had more games and better games.....with far more variety.

Dood, you forgot Tomb Raider and Metal Gear Solid! Those were great PS1 games.

WTF is Legend of Dragoon though? Sounds bad

I did put Metal Gear Solid(MGS lol) and how could I forget Tomb Raider! I am a slacker!

And Legend of Dragoon is just some silly game that Sony let float away and has been remaking since the PS1 era lol!



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TheBlackNaruto on 14 April 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

I did put Metal Gear Solid(MGS lol) and how could I forget Tomb Raider! I am a slacker!

And Legend of Dragoon is just some silly game that Sony let float away and has been remaking since the PS1 era lol!

Ah, I should have noticed MGS

Oh well, was still able to contribute Tomb Raider to the list

And yeah, Legend of Dragoon does sound like a silly game. I bet it even has some silly really hardcore fans of it too.

Yes you did add to the list and easily with Tomb Raider lol.

And ehhh Legend of Dragoon has the silliest of the silly hardcore fans that NEVER give up hope lol!



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PortisheadBiscuit on 14 April 2017

The interesting thing is, Sony taking away Nintendo's home console dominance was the best thing to happen to the industry. Had N64 won the gen and kept a strangle-hold on developers, it would've stunted growth of the industry. As much as I love Nintendo, they were bullies back then and would've had way too much power. Sony saved the gaming world in hindsight.



VGPolyglot on 14 April 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

Really? Then you must not talk to many people. Because they talk about WAY more games than that....Parasite Eve, Legend Of Dragoon, Tekken 3, Xenogears, MGS, Spyro, FF 8 and FF 9, Chrono Cross, Resident Evil, Legacy Of Kain, Vagrant Story, Parappa, Tony Hawk, SFA 3, Silent Hill and those are just off the top of my head that people still talk about when discussing the PS1. The PS1 BY FAR had more AND better games than the N64.....and there is nothing wrong with that. I still loved my N64 but the PS1 without question had more games and better games.....with far more variety.

Dood, you forgot Tomb Raider and Metal Gear Solid! Those were great PS1 games.

WTF is Legend of Dragoon though? Sounds bad

There's also Dino Crisis, King's Field, CastleVania, Strider 2, etc. The list goes on and on.



routsounmanman on 14 April 2017
Bandorr said:
routsounmanman said:

That's plain flase wrong. One of them? N64. Two of them? Wavebird.

The wavebird? The gamecube controller that came out in 2002? Five years after the Dual shock?

Sorry, my bad on that one. Somehow i mixed the first - working like it should - wireless controller with the first with a dual analog setup.



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