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FloatingWaffles said:
Normchacho said:

What does someone have to say in this day and age for people to admit that it's actually racist? The insinuation that America belongs to white people really isn't enough? Believing that black people are just more likely to commit crime, regardless of socioeconomic status isn't enough?

He's been deemed a racist because he is one. It is possible for someone to be a racist without the white hood and burning cross.

Blame those people that overuse the word racist in every single thing where it's not needed nor does it make any sense. Nowadays if you even disagree with someone on something they'll call you a racist or nazi or anything like that.

It doesn't have the same kind of meaning anymore when someone will call someone else racist for any little thing even when it has nothing to do with racism. Which is why when I see a headline of something like "Jontron is racist", i'm more inclined to believe it's just people throwing the word around when it has nothing to do with racism as always to try and make that person look bad, which I don't see how you can deny, just look at anything in today's world and you'll find someone calling someone else racist,sexist,mysoginist, nazi, etc for any reason. People have an agenda, so when they see someone that either says or thinks something they don't like their agenda is to make that person look as horrible as possible and to try and spread that around. Which is why even if they know someone isn't a racist or a nazi or anything they'll still try to say it anyway, either because they are ignorant enough to actualy believe those things or just don't care and will try to paint that false picture to support their narrative anyway. 

It's been happening a shit ton on Youtube lately too, just look at the shit that happened to PewDiePie like a month ago. Those people that made the articles knew that he wasn't actually a fucking nazi or anti-semite, but they still proceeded to try to slander him anyway with that shit because that was their agenda.

Even if JonTron might have said some controversial statements, the amount of people trying to call him racist I would assume are the same people that would have tried to call him that no matter what he said. The mentality of these people that do these things has resorted to "He's either 100% in agreement with us and what we think, if not we paint him as a fucking nazi or racist or something bad like that".

No, I'm not going to blame one person for the actions of another. Being quick to call someone a racist, and being unwilling to call out a racist are equally bad.

 

Saying that America belongs to white people is a racist thing to say and believe. Insinuating that black people are inherently more likely to be criminals is a racist thing to say and believe.

It is perfectly reasonable to be upset at people who attack people who aren't racist as being so. It is not reasonable to be upset for people calling someone who has said and stood by racist things a racist.



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FloatingWaffles said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, what in your view is the difference between a SJW and a like-a-SJW?

I'm gonna clarify right now. 

When I said SJW's, I meant the same people that time and time again find something to try and be angry about and try to 'fix' ,as they think they are correct in that whatever they think is 'offensive' or 'controversial' must be the same thing to everyone else. Just like with the Overwatch butt pose thing a while back which they begged for the pose to be removed when it harmed nobody, and then Blizzard gave in. There are a few more examples out there that I remember, I can't think of them off the top of my head, but I can google them and try to find them.

edit: I just remembed the Colin Moriarty joke tweet from like a week ago. That was really recent and another example of what i'm talking about of people trying to find something to be angry about. 

When I said people like SJW's, I meant people just acting in similar fashion though not in the same way as trying to find anything to get outraged about and remove it. Some people genuinely might just find something offensive or don't like a specific thing, that doesn't mean they're immediately an SJW. I'm talking about people that purposely try to look for stuff to be 'outraged about' to push their agendas when I say SJW.  If I had to try to put it in an analogy, if you went fishing only one time and caught one fish, you wouldn't immediately call yourself a fisherman. You would have to keep going fishing continuously. 

So, you're getting mad at the people for complaining, when you really should put your focus on the companies that make the decisions. It's not like they're being forced to change it, they're not going to get arrested for not censoring their game, so if they do it's all on them.



Azuren said:
VGPolyglot said:

Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RQA9GZprqM

Go to about 13:30 where he's praising Japan for being homogenous and wondering why it's wrong for people to want to have a white majority country.

Well, he didn't say "Fuck minorities" or anything along those lines, he praised a non-white country for being primarily homogenous and then followed up by asking why white people can't do the same (spoiler: northern Europe). And Destiny countered by stating Japan is  train wreck with an absurd suicide rate and is riddled with issues because of their race (hardy har, which is actually a much more racist statement than JonTron's; "Japanese people kill themselves and ruined their own country") before following up with a statement claiming that JonTron isn't even white (which doesn't actually change anything, but drives in what should be an objective outside point of view on why white people can't have a country where they are heavy majority).

 

That statement is blunt at worst and inquisitive at best. I'm actually surprised people aren't attacking Destiny for implying Japan's primarily Japanese population's responsible for the high suicide rate and vague "bad stuff".

 

 

Now, if you would please, point me to the stuff you were talking about earlier where JonTron was making extrapolations based on race and not facts or statistics? Because that would indeed be racist and not gray area.

Japan shouldn't be able to get away with being discriminatory with other races, and neither should the United States. Is your argument really that since other countries are doing it, that it means that the United States doing it too is not racist? Both can be racist. He is making extrapolitions on race by insinuating that a homogenous society is superior to a heterogenous one.



VGPolyglot said:
Azuren said:

Well, he didn't say "Fuck minorities" or anything along those lines, he praised a non-white country for being primarily homogenous and then followed up by asking why white people can't do the same (spoiler: northern Europe). And Destiny countered by stating Japan is  train wreck with an absurd suicide rate and is riddled with issues because of their race (hardy har, which is actually a much more racist statement than JonTron's; "Japanese people kill themselves and ruined their own country") before following up with a statement claiming that JonTron isn't even white (which doesn't actually change anything, but drives in what should be an objective outside point of view on why white people can't have a country where they are heavy majority).

 

That statement is blunt at worst and inquisitive at best. I'm actually surprised people aren't attacking Destiny for implying Japan's primarily Japanese population's responsible for the high suicide rate and vague "bad stuff".

 

 

Now, if you would please, point me to the stuff you were talking about earlier where JonTron was making extrapolations based on race and not facts or statistics? Because that would indeed be racist and not gray area.

Japan shouldn't be able to get away with being discriminatory with other races, and neither should the United States. Is your argument really that since other countries are doing it, that it means that the United States doing it too is not racist? Both can be racist. He is making extrapolitions on race by insinuating that a homogenous society is superior to a heterogenous one.

You're changing the subject. I'm not debating whether or not what Japan is doing is racist. I'll go on record saying that, as a whole, Japan is one of the most racist and xenophobic countries in the world. 

 

What I'm saying is JonTron asked a question that got turned into a race war, despite Destiny's comment on the Japanese being significantly more racist. 

 

That all aside: do you or do you not have a time at which JonTron was saying the horrible things you are claiming he said earlier? 



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FloatingWaffles said:

What do you mean what am I on about? Read my comment. It's the same people like SJW's that are always trying to do shit like this.

Just like with the Overwatch butt "controversial" (not controversial at all, just a fucking silly all class pose) pose that these people wanted to get removed from Overwatch, people will try to find anything to get angry about. And now it's that Jontron wanted to have a different view on something, even if that view was controversial perhaps. So they flocked to Playtonic to have him removed from the game.

And what was Playtonic's response? At the first sign of any sort of potential "backlash", (and I say backlash in quotes since the amount of people that wouldn't have bought the game just because he was in it probably isn't very high, just like the people saying they won't buy the game because he was removed probably isn't very high. The game will probably still sell well I imagine), they immediately cowarded out and gave into those requests. 

And sure, Playtonic has every right to do that, it's their game and if they don't like something Jontron said they have every right to remove him. But this isn't what seems like happened, it gives off the look that they gave into SJW requests at the first sign of any backlash rather than think for themselves about it. 

You're out of touch here as this isn't anything to do with any SJW it just boils down to him being stupid in a debate and rightfully getting backlash as a result, Playtonic have a right to distance themselves from him.



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VGPolyglot said:
FloatingWaffles said:

I'm gonna clarify right now. 

When I said SJW's, I meant the same people that time and time again find something to try and be angry about and try to 'fix' ,as they think they are correct in that whatever they think is 'offensive' or 'controversial' must be the same thing to everyone else. Just like with the Overwatch butt pose thing a while back which they begged for the pose to be removed when it harmed nobody, and then Blizzard gave in. There are a few more examples out there that I remember, I can't think of them off the top of my head, but I can google them and try to find them.

edit: I just remembed the Colin Moriarty joke tweet from like a week ago. That was really recent and another example of what i'm talking about of people trying to find something to be angry about. 

When I said people like SJW's, I meant people just acting in similar fashion though not in the same way as trying to find anything to get outraged about and remove it. Some people genuinely might just find something offensive or don't like a specific thing, that doesn't mean they're immediately an SJW. I'm talking about people that purposely try to look for stuff to be 'outraged about' to push their agendas when I say SJW.  If I had to try to put it in an analogy, if you went fishing only one time and caught one fish, you wouldn't immediately call yourself a fisherman. You would have to keep going fishing continuously. 

So, you're getting mad at the people for complaining, when you really should put your focus on the companies that make the decisions. It's not like they're being forced to change it, they're not going to get arrested for not censoring their game, so if they do it's all on them.

Well that was my whole point from the beginning and I was talking about the companies, Playtonic is now yet another company that has just given in to the type of shit that a lot of people didn't want them to give in to, and it seems like almost immediately they gave in at the first sign of any sort of potential 'backlash'(again putting that in quotes because i'm sure the game will sell well whether Jon is in it or not). Some of the people that are 'outraged' about Jon being in the game because of what he said recently try to act like they speak for everyone in that they feel this 'offensive person' should be removed from the game, when in fact they are in the minority and the people wanted to have Jon in the game now have to deal with him being removed due to Playtonic listening to the 'outrage' of a few that wanted to get him removed because it would suit their agendas. 

Plus i'm not mad, I had no interest in buying Yooka-Laylee anyway despite whether Jon were to stay in it or stay removed or before this entire thing even happened. (I never played any Banjo-Kazooie games, but Yooka-Laylee looks alright). I just think not only is it already dumb to see people trying to find stuff to complain about and be angry about, but even dumber when a company actually gives in to that kind of stuff as it then ruins it for the rest of the people potentially. (Though in this case I don't see Jon being removed as just a voice will ruin the game for many, but it still is dumb he was removed for something like that, at least imo).

Like I said I get though that as a business Playtonic has every right to make the decisions they see fit and if they don't want JonTron in the game anymore they have every right to do so. It just feels like in this case rather than thinking of the decision themselves they just immediately saw any kind of 'backlash' and gave in out of fear rather than looking into the situation, but who knows. 

I just hope companies finally realize sometime in the future that these people(SJW's) that will continuously look for something to try to be angry or outraged about because they feel like they are correct all the time aren't the type of people they should be giving into and not only does it ruin it for a lot of other people that in no way agreed with those people (often times the majority) but it also makes those SJW's feel reinvigorated and that they have some type of power to change anything if they complain enough or try to make someone look bad. 



Wyrdness said:
FloatingWaffles said:

What do you mean what am I on about? Read my comment. It's the same people like SJW's that are always trying to do shit like this.

Just like with the Overwatch butt "controversial" (not controversial at all, just a fucking silly all class pose) pose that these people wanted to get removed from Overwatch, people will try to find anything to get angry about. And now it's that Jontron wanted to have a different view on something, even if that view was controversial perhaps. So they flocked to Playtonic to have him removed from the game.

And what was Playtonic's response? At the first sign of any sort of potential "backlash", (and I say backlash in quotes since the amount of people that wouldn't have bought the game just because he was in it probably isn't very high, just like the people saying they won't buy the game because he was removed probably isn't very high. The game will probably still sell well I imagine), they immediately cowarded out and gave into those requests. 

And sure, Playtonic has every right to do that, it's their game and if they don't like something Jontron said they have every right to remove him. But this isn't what seems like happened, it gives off the look that they gave into SJW requests at the first sign of any backlash rather than think for themselves about it. 

You're out of touch here as this isn't anything to do with any SJW it just boils down to him being stupid in a debate and rightfully getting backlash as a result, Playtonic have a right to distance themselves from him.

Lmao alright think whatever you want then bud. Might wanna re-read my comments again though if you still don't get it. 



FloatingWaffles said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, you're getting mad at the people for complaining, when you really should put your focus on the companies that make the decisions. It's not like they're being forced to change it, they're not going to get arrested for not censoring their game, so if they do it's all on them.

Well that was my whole point from the beginning and I was talking about the companies, Playtonic is now yet another company that has just given in to the type of shit that a lot of people didn't want them to give in to, and it seems like almost immediately they gave in at the first sign of any sort of potential 'backlash'(again putting that in quotes because i'm sure the game will sell well whether Jon is in it or not). Some of the people that are 'outraged' about Jon being in the game because of what he said recently try to act like they speak for everyone in that they feel this 'offensive person' should be removed from the game, when in fact they are in the minority and the people wanted to have Jon in the game now have to deal with him being removed due to Playtonic listening to the 'outrage' of a few that wanted to get him removed because it would suit their agendas. 

Plus i'm not mad, I had no interest in buying Yooka-Laylee anyway despite whether Jon were to stay in it or stay removed or before this entire thing even happened. (I never played any Banjo-Kazooie games, but Yooka-Laylee looks alright). I just think not only is it already dumb to see people trying to find stuff to complain about and be angry about, but even dumber when a company actually gives in to that kind of stuff as it then ruins it for the rest of the people potentially. (Though in this case I don't see Jon being removed as just a voice will ruin the game for many, but it still is dumb he was removed for something like that, at least imo).

Like I said I get though that as a business Playtonic has every right to make the decisions they see fit and if they don't want JonTron in the game anymore they have every right to do so. It just feels like in this case rather than thinking of the decision themselves they just immediately saw any kind of 'backlash' and gave in out of fear rather than looking into the situation, but who knows. 

I just hope companies finally realize sometime in the future that these people(SJW's) that will continuously look for something to try to be angry or outraged about because they feel like they are correct all the time aren't the type of people they should be giving into and not only does it ruin it for a lot of other people that in no way agreed with those people (often times the majority) but it also makes those SJW's feel reinvigorated and that they have some type of power to change anything if they complain enough or try to make someone look bad. 

As long as oppression and discrimination exists, there will be people opposing it.



Azuren said:
VGPolyglot said:

Japan shouldn't be able to get away with being discriminatory with other races, and neither should the United States. Is your argument really that since other countries are doing it, that it means that the United States doing it too is not racist? Both can be racist. He is making extrapolitions on race by insinuating that a homogenous society is superior to a heterogenous one.

You're changing the subject. I'm not debating whether or not what Japan is doing is racist. I'll go on record saying that, as a whole, Japan is one of the most racist and xenophobic countries in the world. 

 

What I'm saying is JonTron asked a question that got turned into a race war, despite Destiny's comment on the Japanese being significantly more racist. 

 

That all aside: do you or do you not have a time at which JonTron was saying the horrible things you are claiming he said earlier? 

I have to go to school soon, so I'll give you timestamps later on. However, just from the beginning of the video, at 11:30 he says that blacks need to solve their own problems (ignoring systematic discrimination), and 22:00 he says that Trump has not said anything racist, and talks about a supposed "demographic oblivion" for whites and how they're being displaced.



VGPolyglot said:
FloatingWaffles said:

Well that was my whole point from the beginning and I was talking about the companies, Playtonic is now yet another company that has just given in to the type of shit that a lot of people didn't want them to give in to, and it seems like almost immediately they gave in at the first sign of any sort of potential 'backlash'(again putting that in quotes because i'm sure the game will sell well whether Jon is in it or not). Some of the people that are 'outraged' about Jon being in the game because of what he said recently try to act like they speak for everyone in that they feel this 'offensive person' should be removed from the game, when in fact they are in the minority and the people wanted to have Jon in the game now have to deal with him being removed due to Playtonic listening to the 'outrage' of a few that wanted to get him removed because it would suit their agendas. 

Plus i'm not mad, I had no interest in buying Yooka-Laylee anyway despite whether Jon were to stay in it or stay removed or before this entire thing even happened. (I never played any Banjo-Kazooie games, but Yooka-Laylee looks alright). I just think not only is it already dumb to see people trying to find stuff to complain about and be angry about, but even dumber when a company actually gives in to that kind of stuff as it then ruins it for the rest of the people potentially. (Though in this case I don't see Jon being removed as just a voice will ruin the game for many, but it still is dumb he was removed for something like that, at least imo).

Like I said I get though that as a business Playtonic has every right to make the decisions they see fit and if they don't want JonTron in the game anymore they have every right to do so. It just feels like in this case rather than thinking of the decision themselves they just immediately saw any kind of 'backlash' and gave in out of fear rather than looking into the situation, but who knows. 

I just hope companies finally realize sometime in the future that these people(SJW's) that will continuously look for something to try to be angry or outraged about because they feel like they are correct all the time aren't the type of people they should be giving into and not only does it ruin it for a lot of other people that in no way agreed with those people (often times the majority) but it also makes those SJW's feel reinvigorated and that they have some type of power to change anything if they complain enough or try to make someone look bad. 

As long as oppression and discrimination exists, there will be people opposing it.

I don't really get what you mean by this? In regards to the  bolded I mean.