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ZenfoldorVGI said:
DMeisterJ said:
@ Zenfolder

So like I said, you had nothing else to do but bash my personal beliefs, which had nothing to do with this game or thread. If anything, I may have overshot this game, because I love the series so much.

And the whole me calling it a system seller if it was on the PS3 is bs. It's nothing but speculation. And you have no proof of that.

I'm one of the more competent Sony fans, please give me more credit than that.

I think you are, but still, the fact remains, saying MH3 won't sell well on the Wii, and basing that assumption upon PS2 sales, is purposfully leaving out a very important point, which is when Monster Hunter was released on the PS2, it wasn't a popular game, and had no rabid hardcore fanbase, but when it will be launched on the Wii, it will already be immensely popular and have a very rabid hardcore fanbase. Acknowledge that when you make your argument, and I have no problem with your justifications.

 

Also, I prefer the word "refute" to the term "bash."


I never said the game "wouldn't sell", I said it'll sell 1 mil.  More than the PS2 version, and less than the 1st offering on the PS2.

I don't think it'll sell anymore than the first Monster Hunter Freedom, but the series has grown in popularity, which is why I predicted it'd sell more than the PS2 version.

But I have a question for you:

Have you ever owned or played a MH game?



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ZenfoldorVGI said:
DMeisterJ said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
DMeisterJ said:
And I never said the series was popular because you can go outside. I said it's popular in Japan because you're able to play in the same general area as your comrades.

You also spelled "ridiculous" and "legitimate" wrong.

The last resort of a failed debater, is insulting his opponents grammar.


No, not really, I just don't like looking at misspelled words.


...and I don't like misspelling them, but it happens sometimes, in a heated debate.

 

Lawl.  Why is this debate heated? 

We're only stating what we believe to be true.

 



DMeisterJ said:
 

I never said the game "wouldn't sell", I said it'll sell 1 mil. More than the PS2 version, and less than the 1st offering on the PS2.

I don't think it'll sell anymore than the first Monster Hunter Freedom, but the series has grown in popularity, which is why I predicted it'd sell more than the PS2 version.

But I have a question for you:

Have you ever owned or played a MH game?


No, nor would I. I did, however, play Phantasy Star Online when it was launched for the Dreamcast, so I feel I have a knowledge of the genre.

 

I also doubt it will reach the PSP figures, and in fact I think it's impossible. I feel the reason lies not in the theory that the game "won't sell well anywhere but handhelds," and more in the reason that a larger group of that fanbase already owns a PSP, and for the most part, those individuals don't own a Wii, and other factors like advertising, online capabilities, userbase, and demographic.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

DMeisterJ said:
 

Lawl. Why is this debate heated?

We're only stating what we believe to be true.

 

Well, perhaps a better phrase is "fast-moving."

 



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

ZenfoldorVGI said:
DMeisterJ said:
 

I never said the game "wouldn't sell", I said it'll sell 1 mil. More than the PS2 version, and less than the 1st offering on the PS2.

I don't think it'll sell anymore than the first Monster Hunter Freedom, but the series has grown in popularity, which is why I predicted it'd sell more than the PS2 version.

But I have a question for you:

Have you ever owned or played a MH game?


No, nor would I. I did, however, play Phantasy Star Online when it was launched for the Dreamcast, so I feel I have a knowledge of the genre.

 

I also doubt it will reach the PSP figures, and in fact I think it's impossible. I feel the reason lies not in the theory that the game "won't sell well anywhere but handhelds," and more in the reason that a larger group of that fanbase already owns a PSP, and for the most part, those individuals don't own a Wii, and other factors like advertising, online capabilities, userbase, and demographic.


 I can't believe you were arguing with me, and have never played the game.

Go get a PSP and play it, it's awesome.



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DMeisterJ said:
 

I can't believe you were arguing with me, and have never played the game.

Go get a PSP and play it, it's awesome.

I think I mentioned that I never played it or at least alluded to it in my first post.

 

I don't really want to play it, honestly. I did love PSO, but I'm purposefully moving away from online gaming, for several reasons.

 

This debate, however, was sales related. If it was gameplay related, then I would be owned, and stupid for posting about a game that I'd never played. 

 



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Well I think you both have a point, and should meet in the middle. Course, DMeisterJ said that a million wasn't out of the question, which I think is pretty good. I can't see how you too are having a "fast paced" discussion about how well it's going to do when you both think it's going to do over a million in Japan (at least, that's what I've gotten from both of your posts).

DMeisterJ has a point that the game wasn't popular on the PS2, and so it's likely that it won't be as popular on the Wii as it is on the PSP. Zen has a point that now that it's more popular because of the PSP version, it'll be a better hardware pusher and sell more than the PS2 versions.

DMeisterJ, I would say looking at PSP sales, knowing that it's more popular, which is a fact, one could make the prediction that it'll now sell better on the Wii because of the increased popularity. Course one could also look at sales on the PS2, which weren't as good as the PSP version, that is a fact, and say it won't sell decently. So both of you are basing your numbers on FACT.

So the real question here is, what are your predictions for LT sales in Japan, Zen and DMeisterJ? Because you guys keep talking about "bashing numbers" but I see no numbers from you two, besides the one talk of it selling more than a million from DMeisterJ (if I read that post correctly).

I'll start the "negotiations." Due to the increased popularity of the Monster Hunter games due to the PSP games (for whatever reason for the increase popularity), the Wii version is likely to outsell the PS2 version, because of an increased fanbase. But due to the portability of the PSP games, and how much more attractive, and possibly fun, that makes the game, the Wii version most likely will not match sales from the PSP.

Looking at sales of the Monster Hunter games from the PS2 and PSP, which can be seen here, the results are pretty interesting. First off, the order of releases (based off release in Japan):

  • Game - Platform - Sales (NOTE: Japan only)
  • Monster Hunter - PS2 - .28 million
  • Monster Hunter G - PS2 - .23 million
  • Monster Hunter Freedom - PSP - 1.03 million
  • Montser Hunter 2 - PS2 - .61 million
  • Monster Hunter Freedom 2nd - PSP - 1.72 million
  • Monster Hunter Freedom 2nd G - PSP - .86 million after one week

What's interesting is the boost the PS2 version got after the release of a PSP version. Will you still argue that the PSP versions don't help the PS2/Wii versions? Looking at these sales (and the bump the PS2 version got after the PSP version), I'd say it should easily do a million on the Wii in Japan.

I hope that settles it. If not, continue on. Just don't rip any holes into the universe.



I was hoping one of you would respond to my post, but since it's fallen out of the hot topics, perhaps you don't realize I posted? So here's a nudge back up to the top.



You are correct Stever89, however we dont know if the increased sales on the second ps2 monster hunter was due to the psp popularity or increased advertising or other factors such as a improved game.

But assuming the psp versions are the main cause of the 2nd version on the ps2 doubling in sales then you will assume the wii version will do better then previous ps2 versions however no one knows if it will have success to rival that of the psp yet.

I think this is what people are mainly debating, not wether it will do better then the ps2 but wether it will do better then the psp one considering wii popularity and a increasingly popular franchise.



DMeisterJ said:
Monster Hunter 2 launched on a userbase of 20 million with sales of 357k.

On a userbase probably at 1/3 of the size when MH3 launches this year, how much does anyone expect it to sell?

Exactly - thats why Resident Evil 4 on the Wii will never catch PS2 sales, oh wait it will.  And as somebody said the Wii controls may ruin it, have you ever played a Capcom Wii game?  they have utilized the Wii controls so well, one thing we can be sure of is this game will be high quality and will play well so if it doesn't succeed then it wont be due to the quality of the game.

 Unless as KOW says and it has a crap online mode