potato_hamster said:
JWeinCom said:
I started this conversation with stating how unreasonable it was for you to present information that people could not verify and expect them to believe it, and seemingly getting upset when they didn't. But even if I didn't, I think it should be clear that I wasn't just asking if you'd done research out of sheer curiosity, but because I was actually interested in the research itself. I thought that was clear. If it wasn't, I clarified it so it definitely should be now.
You are playing the developer card, using that to make an argument from authority, and then refusing to back up the data. And when I ask you to present the data you get indignant and sarcastic about it with things like "Of course, I'll just break my NDAs and get my ass sued to prove a point on the internet! Again, it's the internet. I could not care less whether you believe me or not."
To repeat myself, all I'm saying is that if you don't have the data or can't present it, then you shouldn't bring it up, because it adds nothing to the conversation. If it exists, and you can talk about it, great. Talk about it. If it doesn't exist, or you can't talk about it, then ok. Don't talk about it. Which seems to me fairly reasonable. And if your reaction to that is to get defensive and act like I'm demanding that you reveal super secret information, then I can see why your interactions with Nintendo fans can be unpleasant.
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I never brought up the data. I brought up the conclusion based on that data.
You asked about the data, and now you're irritated that I can't give you specifics when it's pretty obvious why.
You actualy are demanding pretty expensive "super secret information" that companies spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to create, and others spend thousands more to buy.
It's not my problem if you don't know that such information is highly valuable, highly sought after and difficult to acquire. Again, I don't care if you don't believe me.
That doesn't make me wrong. I know what I've seen, and I don't expect you to just take my word for it. If you want the data that I was privy to, get access to it from someone else that has it, or buy it yourself.
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Have you seen the secret box episode of Spongebob? If you haven't I'll give you a brief synopsis. Patrick shows Spongebob his secret box and tells him they're something super secret inside. Spongebob is naturally curious and asks what's in the box. Patrick refuses because Spongebob is just not privy to the box's secret. And he just goes on and on and on about how special his box is, and how valuable its contents are and how Spongebob must wish he was special enough to see the box.
If you don't get it, you're Patrick. Instead of just dropping the subject like a rational person would, you keep going on and on about it and how special it is. Talking about NDAs, then talking about how it cost thousands of dollars to do the studies, and then later upping it to hundreds of thousands so it's that much more special (don't know why game development companies are doing hundreds of thousands of dollars of market research anyway instead of a market research firm, but hey what do I know? ) The data keeps becoming more and more special. And you keep getting more and more special for being "privy" to this special secret data. And I just laugh more and more.
If this is how you normally act, then the problem isn't with Nintendo fans. The problem is that you're acting like a pink starfish character in an episode meant to highlight how annoying he is. If you can't talk about your secret box, then just put it away. I promise I'm not demanding that you give it to me. I'm not going to grab it from you. I'm not going to break into your house to get it.
It's really simple... don't talk about things you're not supposed to talk about. If you can't do that, then the problem isn't everyone else. It's you.