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S.T.A.G.E. on 12 March 2017
Snoopy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

1. It doesnt matter whether Sony invested the ten year profiitability plan

2l They  stated the plan will be in use for ALL of their home consoles. ( Is the vita a home console?) It has since became a primary factor in their longevity of support for their gamers which was unique traditionally to them until the Xbox 360 came.

3. Its obvious that the dollar is the bottom line, hence why Sony created the plan. Sony takes risks using new formats in the consoles and waits to turn profit. Whats Microsofts excluse for keeping the Xbox One going for 12 years?

4. Microsoft supported the 360 because it was not pulling away from Sony and as Sony gathered profit, they needed to keep pressure on them. While the money the 360 makes is great, its not really that impressive for Microsoft as a corporation.  Again, gaming is not their end all be all (hence why they dont act like it).

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Wrong, UWP is a big thing for them. Sony is probably not Microsoft's biggest fear. It is steam. If steam OS ever becomes a thing and people choose to game on that over windows os Microsoft will lose a good percentage of their windows user base. Microsoft has been expanding not only in hardware, but in recent years they are making more games than we have ever gotten from them. 

If Steam is Microsofts biggest fear they are not acting like it. Its known that Microsoft tried to work with Sony because Sony was delving with their console in the multimedia marke (PS1), which they dominated with Windows. Microsoft most likely wanted their OS on every piece of Sony hardware like they did with Sega. Apparently both Sony and Nintendo told them no, thus, Microsoft is here. 

What hot new IP has Microsoft created themselves this gen that can move Xbox forward? Answer is they havent. The only genre Microsoft has been good at making from scratch is simulations which ive been playing since I was a little kid (which is before the Xbox). Gears and Halo originally came from outside, even though Microsoft demanded a genre change once they bought bungie. 



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S.T.A.G.E. on 12 March 2017
Snoopy said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

1. You just said Sony "ushered it into the industry" so yeah, it does matter if they actually ushered it in or in this case, if another company did it. The difference is instead of saying Sony "ushered it into the industry" the correct way to say it would be Sony followed Nintendos lead :)

2. No they didn't. I remember them saying it applies to all three of their consoles when the PS2 and PSP were still going. The Vita didn't qualify because it didn't sell well enough. Long story short, they'll support consoles so long as there is money to be made. You can dress it up as some sort of grand plan of consumer support and longevity, the simple truth is it's just money. Also, the 360 already existed when they started touting this 10 year plan, so you're 0/2 here :(

3. Sony adopted what Nintendo had been doing when Sony entered the industry. They didn't create anything. I know this clashes with your narrative, but it's reality. You really could have shortened your entire reply to "the dollar is the bottom line". It also answers your Xbone question.

4. Oh ok so money doesn't matter to MS and they could have just ended the gen sooner and put out a new console but just wanted to "keep pressure on Sony" even though they were both getting beaten badly by the Wii. It's funny because in other threads you say MS is so desperate to get a leg up on Sony yet here instead of launching the 360 successor earlier which would have really put pressure on them they instead continued to support the 360 even though who cares about revenue it's Microsoft. Do you really believe some of these zany MS theories you post?

I find it funny when Sony fans in general tell me MS is doom when xbox has been making Microsoft a profit for a while now. Not only this, but the fact some how Sony who is losing billions of dollars a year are just "fine".

Who ever brought up doom? 



PotentHerbs on 12 March 2017
Snoopy said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

1. You just said Sony "ushered it into the industry" so yeah, it does matter if they actually ushered it in or in this case, if another company did it. The difference is instead of saying Sony "ushered it into the industry" the correct way to say it would be Sony followed Nintendos lead :)

2. No they didn't. I remember them saying it applies to all three of their consoles when the PS2 and PSP were still going. The Vita didn't qualify because it didn't sell well enough. Long story short, they'll support consoles so long as there is money to be made. You can dress it up as some sort of grand plan of consumer support and longevity, the simple truth is it's just money. Also, the 360 already existed when they started touting this 10 year plan, so you're 0/2 here :(

3. Sony adopted what Nintendo had been doing when Sony entered the industry. They didn't create anything. I know this clashes with your narrative, but it's reality. You really could have shortened your entire reply to "the dollar is the bottom line". It also answers your Xbone question.

4. Oh ok so money doesn't matter to MS and they could have just ended the gen sooner and put out a new console but just wanted to "keep pressure on Sony" even though they were both getting beaten badly by the Wii. It's funny because in other threads you say MS is so desperate to get a leg up on Sony yet here instead of launching the 360 successor earlier which would have really put pressure on them they instead continued to support the 360 even though who cares about revenue it's Microsoft. Do you really believe some of these zany MS theories you post?

I find it funny when Sony fans in general tell me MS is doom when xbox has been making Microsoft a profit for a while now. Not only this, but the fact some how Sony who is losing billions of dollars a year are just "fine".

Same could be said about MS fans that wanted Sony to become bankrupt so they wouldn't be in second place lol.



Snoopy on 12 March 2017
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Snoopy said:

Wrong, UWP is a big thing for them. Sony is probably not Microsoft's biggest fear. It is steam. If steam OS ever becomes a thing and people choose to game on that over windows os Microsoft will lose a good percentage of their windows user base. Microsoft has been expanding not only in hardware, but in recent years they are making more games than we have ever gotten from them. 

If Steam is Microsofts biggest fear they are not acting like it. Its known that Microsoft tried to work with Sony because Sony was delving with their console in the multimedia marke (PS1), which they dominated with Windows. Microsoft most likely wanted their OS on every piece of Sony hardware like they did with Sega. Apparently both Sony and Nintendo told them no, thus, Microsoft is here. 

What hot new IP has Microsoft created themselves this gen that can move Xbox forward? Answer is they havent. The only genre Microsoft has been good at making from scratch is simulations which ive been playing since I was a little kid (which is before the Xbox). Gears and Halo originally came from outside, even though Microsoft demanded a genre change once they bought bungie. 

State of decay was made around the end of 360 life cycle / begining of xbox one lifetime and it sold over five million (more than any ps4 exclusive outside of Uncharted 4). Now it is getting a AAA release this year and going forward. Also, you don't know what game from Sony will get a sequel or not. Sony doesn't have the perfect track record of keeping up with their franchises. Just look at where Socom and GT is at.

Another successful franchise is Forza Horizon even though it didn't come out this generation, it has become big thanks to Forza Horizon 3. In fact, it was the best selling racing game in North America. That is huge and there is a good chance going forward Microsoft will use Minecraft to leverage xbox and Windows store as well. Valve hasn't put out a game since counter strike source. If Microsoft can get the steam treatment with third party support along with their billion dollar franchises that would help a lot and put pressure on Steam.

Minecraft, Halo, Gears and now Forza are all billion dollar franchises. If I were to put my money on it, State of Decay has a good shot at becoming another billion dollar franchise judging how good the first one sold.



S.T.A.G.E. on 12 March 2017
Snoopy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

If Steam is Microsofts biggest fear they are not acting like it. Its known that Microsoft tried to work with Sony because Sony was delving with their console in the multimedia marke (PS1), which they dominated with Windows. Microsoft most likely wanted their OS on every piece of Sony hardware like they did with Sega. Apparently both Sony and Nintendo told them no, thus, Microsoft is here. 

What hot new IP has Microsoft created themselves this gen that can move Xbox forward? Answer is they havent. The only genre Microsoft has been good at making from scratch is simulations which ive been playing since I was a little kid (which is before the Xbox). Gears and Halo originally came from outside, even though Microsoft demanded a genre change once they bought bungie. 

State of decay was made around the end of 360 life cycle / begining of xbox one lifetime and it sold over five million (more than any ps4 exclusive outside of Uncharted 4). Now it is getting a AAA release this year and going forward. Also, you don't know what game from Sony will get a sequel or not. Sony doesn't have the perfect track record of keeping up with their franchises. Just look at where Socom and GT is at.  Also, even though Forza Horizon didn't come out this generation, it has become big thanks to Forza Horizon 3. In fact, it was the best selling racing game in North America. That is huge and there is a good chance going forward Microsoft will use Minecraft to leverage xbox and Windows store. Valve hasn't put out a game since counter strike source. If Microsoft can get the steam treatment with third party support along with their billion dollar franchises that would help a lot and put pressure on Steam.

Minecraft, Halo, Gears and now Forza are billion dollar franchises. If I were to put my money on it, State of Decay has a good shot at becoming another billion dollar franchise judging how good the first one sold.

The last of us sold quite well as well across two platforms. Over half to be exact (12 million). Sony doesnt have a perfect track record with exclusives, but they are leagues beyond Microsoft and Nintendo is just on its own planet. At this rate Nintendo and Sony could survive solely as first party publishers though. They have enough high profile franchises to take on even EA or Activision. God of War 3 sold over six million last gen and God of War 5 is coming.



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Snoopy on 12 March 2017
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Snoopy said:

State of decay was made around the end of 360 life cycle / begining of xbox one lifetime and it sold over five million (more than any ps4 exclusive outside of Uncharted 4). Now it is getting a AAA release this year and going forward. Also, you don't know what game from Sony will get a sequel or not. Sony doesn't have the perfect track record of keeping up with their franchises. Just look at where Socom and GT is at.  Also, even though Forza Horizon didn't come out this generation, it has become big thanks to Forza Horizon 3. In fact, it was the best selling racing game in North America. That is huge and there is a good chance going forward Microsoft will use Minecraft to leverage xbox and Windows store. Valve hasn't put out a game since counter strike source. If Microsoft can get the steam treatment with third party support along with their billion dollar franchises that would help a lot and put pressure on Steam.

Minecraft, Halo, Gears and now Forza are billion dollar franchises. If I were to put my money on it, State of Decay has a good shot at becoming another billion dollar franchise judging how good the first one sold.

The last of us sold quite well as well across two platforms. Over half to be exact (12 million). Sony doesnt have a perfect track record with exclusives, but they are leagues beyond Microsoft and Nintendo is just on its own planet. At this rate Nintendo and Sony could survive solely as first party publishers though. They have enough high profile franchises to take on even EA or Activision. 

The last of us is a good game, but it isn't releasing until next year which means it has been five years since the first. Uncharted and TLOU will come out twice a generation. This gen is more than half way over for Sony (assuming 2020 is the release of PS5) and they have only one console exclusive that sold over 3 million which was uncharted 4. Nintendo couldn't survive with bigger franchises like SSB, Mario Kart, Zelda,ect regading the Wii U alone. Sony, couldn't pull the same stunt at all. Microsoft and Sony depends on third party titles a lot because that is what most people want if you look at what games are selling the most.



S.T.A.G.E. on 12 March 2017
Snoopy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

If Steam is Microsofts biggest fear they are not acting like it. Its known that Microsoft tried to work with Sony because Sony was delving with their console in the multimedia marke (PS1), which they dominated with Windows. Microsoft most likely wanted their OS on every piece of Sony hardware like they did with Sega. Apparently both Sony and Nintendo told them no, thus, Microsoft is here. 

What hot new IP has Microsoft created themselves this gen that can move Xbox forward? Answer is they havent. The only genre Microsoft has been good at making from scratch is simulations which ive been playing since I was a little kid (which is before the Xbox). Gears and Halo originally came from outside, even though Microsoft demanded a genre change once they bought bungie. 

State of decay was made around the end of 360 life cycle / begining of xbox one lifetime and it sold over five million (more than any ps4 exclusive outside of Uncharted 4). Now it is getting a AAA release this year and going forward. Also, you don't know what game from Sony will get a sequel or not. Sony doesn't have the perfect track record of keeping up with their franchises. Just look at where Socom and GT is at.

Another successful franchise is Forza Horizon even though it didn't come out this generation, it has become big thanks to Forza Horizon 3. In fact, it was the best selling racing game in North America. That is huge and there is a good chance going forward Microsoft will use Minecraft to leverage xbox and Windows store as well. Valve hasn't put out a game since counter strike source. If Microsoft can get the steam treatment with third party support along with their billion dollar franchises that would help a lot and put pressure on Steam.

Minecraft, Halo, Gears and now Forza are all billion dollar franchises. If I were to put my money on it, State of Decay has a good shot at becoming another billion dollar franchise judging how good the first one sold.

Three of those franchises were purchased in. Sony and Nintendo can actually make their own games. The reason why you hear complaints is because Microsoft isnt as talented and thus if they cannot acquire outside talent, their exclusives list is sparse. This would be obviously seen if Microsoft had the amount of third party of Nintendo. This is why Sony always wins, they do what both brands arent that great at. Nintendo lacks third party and Microsoft lacks first party, Sony has both first, second and third party firing on all cylinders. Sony and Nintendo cannot relate to Microsoft development-wise because they never had to purchase franchises that were already successful or hyped to be successful.



Snoopy on 12 March 2017
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Snoopy said:

State of decay was made around the end of 360 life cycle / begining of xbox one lifetime and it sold over five million (more than any ps4 exclusive outside of Uncharted 4). Now it is getting a AAA release this year and going forward. Also, you don't know what game from Sony will get a sequel or not. Sony doesn't have the perfect track record of keeping up with their franchises. Just look at where Socom and GT is at.

Another successful franchise is Forza Horizon even though it didn't come out this generation, it has become big thanks to Forza Horizon 3. In fact, it was the best selling racing game in North America. That is huge and there is a good chance going forward Microsoft will use Minecraft to leverage xbox and Windows store as well. Valve hasn't put out a game since counter strike source. If Microsoft can get the steam treatment with third party support along with their billion dollar franchises that would help a lot and put pressure on Steam.

Minecraft, Halo, Gears and now Forza are all billion dollar franchises. If I were to put my money on it, State of Decay has a good shot at becoming another billion dollar franchise judging how good the first one sold.

Three of those franchises were purchased in. Sony and Nintendo can actually make their own games. The reason why you hear complaints is because Microsoft isnt as talented and thus if they cannot acquire outside talent, their exclusives list is sparse. This would be obviously seen if Microsoft had the amount of third party of Nintendo. This is why Sony always wins, they do what both brands arent that great at. Nintendo lacks third party and Microsoft lacks first party, Sony has both first, second and third party firing on all cylinders. Sony and Nintendo cannot relate to Microsoft development-wise because they never had to purchase franchises that were already successful or hyped to be successful.

1.Yes and they are huge franchises nonethless. Doesn't matter how it gets it.

2. Sony's first party AAA games this generation isn't good. This year sony only has Horizon zero dawn and GT sport (which will be lack luster). Microsoft has sea of theives, halo wars 2, forza 7, crackdown 3, state of decay 2. Sony only looks decent this year because of the niche japanaese games it gets which don't sell that well outside of Japan and doesn't cater to the big western / european market.

3. Sony only wins because of big brand name not because of exclusives. Only Sony could survive what they did with the ps3.



S.T.A.G.E. on 12 March 2017
Snoopy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Three of those franchises were purchased in. Sony and Nintendo can actually make their own games. The reason why you hear complaints is because Microsoft isnt as talented and thus if they cannot acquire outside talent, their exclusives list is sparse. This would be obviously seen if Microsoft had the amount of third party of Nintendo. This is why Sony always wins, they do what both brands arent that great at. Nintendo lacks third party and Microsoft lacks first party, Sony has both first, second and third party firing on all cylinders. Sony and Nintendo cannot relate to Microsoft development-wise because they never had to purchase franchises that were already successful or hyped to be successful.

1.Yes and they are huge franchises nonethless. Doesn't matter how it gets it.

2. Sony's first party AAA games this generation isn't good. This year sony only has Horizon zero dawn and GT sport (which will be lack luster). Microsoft has sea of theives, halo wars 2, forza 7, crackdown 3, state of decay 2. Sony only looks decent this year because of the niche japanaese games it gets which don't sell that well outside of Japan and doesn't cater to the big western / european market.

3. Sony only wins because of big brand name not because of exclusives. Only Sony could survive what they did with the ps3.

1.Agreed. They are huge franchises. I am just outlining Microsofts ability to make games. The very thing people are complainng about right now.

2. Sonys first party is doing just fine. The last guardian landed an 82 Metacritic, Horion just dropped and by itself is better than anything Microsoft has ever created from scratch (im not kidding...play it). Halo Wars has no real competition on consoles because the real RTS games are made for a mouse and keyboard. Halo Wars is RTS lite. I would recommend another RTS if you have a PC. Forza is amazing. Yeah...no ones really salivating for anything Micosoft has announced outside of State of Decay.

3. Saying Sony wins because of brand name isnt logical in this day and age. They are losing popularity in the electronics industry by the day, and yet they are still ahead of their competitors in many respects. Part of it has to do with the pricing of their tech.  Regardless of that...if Microsoft could buy their competitors development studios they would, just like they bought Rare. Look at Rare today.



Snoopy on 12 March 2017
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Snoopy said:

1.Yes and they are huge franchises nonethless. Doesn't matter how it gets it.

2. Sony's first party AAA games this generation isn't good. This year sony only has Horizon zero dawn and GT sport (which will be lack luster). Microsoft has sea of theives, halo wars 2, forza 7, crackdown 3, state of decay 2. Sony only looks decent this year because of the niche japanaese games it gets which don't sell that well outside of Japan and doesn't cater to the big western / european market.

3. Sony only wins because of big brand name not because of exclusives. Only Sony could survive what they did with the ps3.

1.Agreed. They are huge franchises. I am just outlining Microsofts ability to make games. The very thing people are complainng about right now.

2. Sonys first party is doing just fine. The last guardian landed an 82 Metacritic, Horion just dropped and by itself is better than anything Microsoft has ever created (im not kidding...play it). Halo Wars has no real competition on consoles because the real RTS games are made for a mouse and keyboard. Halo Wars is RTS lite. I would recommend another RTS if you have a PC. Forza is amazing. Yeah...no ones really salivating for anything Micosoft has announced outside of State of Decay.

3. Saying Sony wins because of brand name isnt logical in this day and age. They are losing popularity in the electronics industry by the day, and yet they are still ahead of their competitors in many respects. Part of it has to do with the pricing of their tech.  Regardless of that...if Microsoft could buy their competitors development studios they would, just like they bought Rare. Look at Rare today.

1. Microsoft funded Halo, Gears and Forza and helped direct it to what it is. Only minecraft isn't made or have anything with Microsoft.

2. Games are subjective. I prefer online multiplayer games more than single player games. Also, Halo wars is addicting to me because I like the online multiplayer a lot especially blitz mode. Just like how I can't wait to play State of decay 2, and Crackdown 3 the most because of it's online. I love online games the most and Microsoft has deliver the best online games imo than any publisher except for maybe EA (I love titan fall ,BF and Madden). Not to mention I prefer xbl over psn. Thats why I like xbox a lot more than Sony and Nintendo. It gives me the best multiplayer experience.

3. That has nothing to do with playstation though. When people hear GTA, Fifa, Resident Evil, MGS, FF, ect they think Playstation automatically because thats where the games started on and that is the mentality people have. Sony started at the right time and Microsoft only had real third party support for eleven years (og xbox had terrible third party support compare to ps2) while playstation had it for over twenty years.

If I was honest the only thing that dissapointed me with xbox one was they didn't go for the VASTLY SUPERIOR graphics for multiplatform games in favor of Kinect. They correcting it with the xbox scorpio which excites me, but Microsoft always aimed at this which always made me appreciate the system because I know most of my gaming are multiplatform games.