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VGPolyglot said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

You somehow did not really comment on the other issues I brought up?

So, what about professional sports? How do you solve the obvious issue that allowing transgender people born as men would give them an unfair advantage in most sports if they could simply choose which gender they play for? How do you fight the obvious potential for abuse that a man could simply claim to be a transgender in order to play for the women's team in professional sports? Or, if completely eliminating gender segration as you suggest, it would obviously be illegal to have female leagues in sports, there could only be unisex leagues - which would in practice result in women more or less being excluded from professional sports. Is that such a good idea?

And what about changing rooms and shower rooms in swimming pools, gyms etc.? If the girls are hot, I'm sure most men wouldn't mind freely choosing the changing and shower rooms - or having unisex changing and shower rooms as a necessary result of eleliminating all gender segregation. But I severely doubt most women would be happy about that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INj6HPuKJnk

Well, I'd support unisex leagues too. And as I said, I'd generally be fine with unisex change rooms, but sexism is still a big problem in our societies so it is not feasible at the moment.

Sexism wouldn't affect that much in sports. Only the best are choosen and there are sports where women tend to be as good or even better than man. But not in all of them. And that's the problem. What would hurt the participation of women will be the natural differences between the two genders. Not what people think of women participating in this or that sport.

As of changing/shower, there's no mindchanging policy that would prevent straight men for being attracted to women and straight women attracted to men. That's our nature. And that attraction walks along with the embarassment around seeing another people naked, specially people from another gender.  If we could use the same bathrooms, same shower rooms, same changing rooms and stuff, then there would be no need for clothes. Let everybody walk naked everywhere and that's about it.



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There shouldn't be separate bathrooms for women and men anyway. It's 2017, unify this shit already.



MarkkyStorm said:
VGPolyglot said:

Well, I'd support unisex leagues too. And as I said, I'd generally be fine with unisex change rooms, but sexism is still a big problem in our societies so it is not feasible at the moment.

Sexism wouldn't affect that much in sports. Only the best are choosen and there are sports where women tend to be as good or even better than man. But not in all of them. And that's the problem. What would hurt the participation of women will be the natural differences between the two genders. Not what people think of women participating in this or that sport.

As of changing/shower, there's no mindchanging policy that would prevent straight men for being attracted to women and straight women attracted to men. That's our nature. And that attraction walks along with the embarassment around seeing another people naked, specially people from another gender.  If we could use the same bathrooms, same shower rooms, same changing rooms and stuff, then there would be no need for clothes. Let everybody walk naked everywhere and that's about it.

Yes, heterosexual people can be attracted to the other sex, but people can control their urges. Also, in regards to clothes, they exist to protect from the weather, not to hide genitals.



This also has to do with the concept of changing signs for the sake of your feelings. Why should every bathroom be changed to unisex because you dont feel comfortable? Just go to the bathroom. Stop making a big deal about this BS.

As for kids in school. The parents shoving gender identity down their kids throats are confusing the crap out of them at such a young age. There was a story of a boy that was like 4 years old and he played with barbie and so of course the parents said oh well he must be transgender if a boy his age is playing with dolls.

I painted my nails gold when I was in fifth grade for like 2 weeks does that mean im confused? Or am I just being a 10 year old kid? At that age had my parents come up to me and told me the things this boy was being told im sure id be confused as hell too. (this does not apply to all transgenders either just the 4 year old boy knowing that he really was a girl and the parents that dont step in to lay down some law.)



Harkins1721 said:
This also has to do with the concept of changing signs for the sake of your feelings. Why should every bathroom be changed to unisex because you dont feel comfortable? Just go to the bathroom. Stop making a big deal about this BS.

As for kids in school. The parents shoving gender identity down their kids throats are confusing the crap out of them at such a young age. There was a story of a boy that was like 4 years old and he played with barbie and so of course the parents said oh well he must be transgender if a boy his age is playing with dolls.

I painted my nails gold when I was in fifth grade for like 2 weeks does that mean im confused? Or am I just being a 10 year old kid? At that age had my parents come up to me and told me the things this boy was being told im sure id be confused as hell too. (this does not apply to all transgenders either just the 4 year old boy knowing that he really was a girl and the parents that dont step in to lay down some law.)

You could say the same for the people uncomfortable with transgender people in the bathroom. Why should they be forced to go into another bathroom because some people feel uncomfortable about it?



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This is good, it show be up to states and not the federal goverment.



scrapking said:
MarkkyStorm said:

That's why he was elected in the first place. For the comeback of a little sanity and reasonability. But, I'm a little afraid that maybe he could turn out to just used that for vote.

He was elected on a platform that included leaving this issue where it was, and even said that Caitlyn Jenner was welcome to use any bathroom in Trump Tower.  I had hoped that Trump would be true to his campaign statements where he showed some compassion towards programmes like welfare.

I had hoped he'd try to "drain the swamp" with sweeping campaign finance reform that brought power to the people by taking the big money out of politics, since it would serve him to do so by denying his opponents their vast ill-gotten war chests, whereas he had been so successful running his campaign on such a small budget.  The amount of gerrymandering in U.S. politics is a global embarassment, and shocking to people in many other countries.  Canada, for example, has an independent national electoral commission (Elections Canada) that decide the geographic distribution of the districts, and wouldn't allow for the kinds of games going on in the U.S. where Republicans at the State and local levels carve up the districts in the ways that are most advantageous to Republican electoral prospects as opposed to the fairest for democracy.  In contrast, the head of Elections Canada is so independent that they're not even allowed to vote, as it would be unseemly for someone running the electoral process to even be thinking about who they might prefer to win.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how Trump's supporters who like him because he "tells it like it is" will react to him repudiating specific campaign promises, such as his pledge to protect the LGBTQ community better than Hillary Clinton every would.

Maybe he sees that "protect the LGBTQ community" question different than you. I don't think that allowing people to use any bathroom is protecting LGBTQ community.

About Caitlyn Jenner, if he really said that, he's a motherfucking liar and you're right to be mad at it. That's just what I'm afraid of Trump's government. That all the "tells it like it is" becomes one "told anything to get votes, now I do what I want to do".



VGPolyglot said:
Harkins1721 said:
This also has to do with the concept of changing signs for the sake of your feelings. Why should every bathroom be changed to unisex because you dont feel comfortable? Just go to the bathroom. Stop making a big deal about this BS.

As for kids in school. The parents shoving gender identity down their kids throats are confusing the crap out of them at such a young age. There was a story of a boy that was like 4 years old and he played with barbie and so of course the parents said oh well he must be transgender if a boy his age is playing with dolls.

I painted my nails gold when I was in fifth grade for like 2 weeks does that mean im confused? Or am I just being a 10 year old kid? At that age had my parents come up to me and told me the things this boy was being told im sure id be confused as hell too. (this does not apply to all transgenders either just the 4 year old boy knowing that he really was a girl and the parents that dont step in to lay down some law.)

You could say the same for the people uncomfortable with transgender people in the bathroom. Why should they be forced to go into another bathroom because some people feel uncomfortable about it?

Yeah but I never feel 100% comfortable going into a bathroom unless im at home or at a friends. Especially after some of the food I eat. Oh god.

 

So go into the bathroom. Dont make a big deal of it. Its the whole point of changing something because another group is offended. Its been Male/Female/Family for years.

 

Its like Femninazis (not feminists) thinking every man out there is going to rape them. Or Anita Sarkeesian and her BS in a lot of games and their portray of women and then completely disregards men in video games that are sexualized. 



VGPolyglot said:
MarkkyStorm said:

Sexism wouldn't affect that much in sports. Only the best are choosen and there are sports where women tend to be as good or even better than man. But not in all of them. And that's the problem. What would hurt the participation of women will be the natural differences between the two genders. Not what people think of women participating in this or that sport.

As of changing/shower, there's no mindchanging policy that would prevent straight men for being attracted to women and straight women attracted to men. That's our nature. And that attraction walks along with the embarassment around seeing another people naked, specially people from another gender.  If we could use the same bathrooms, same shower rooms, same changing rooms and stuff, then there would be no need for clothes. Let everybody walk naked everywhere and that's about it.

Yes, heterosexual people can be attracted to the other sex, but people can control their urges. Also, in regards to clothes, they exist to protect from the weather, not to hide genitals.

You're ignoring the most important thing. I never said anything about urges. I'm talking about being embarassed. Just it.

If clothes just exist to protect from the weather, why use bikinis at all in the beach? If is just for the weather, why use in closed rooms with thermostats controlling the temperature?



Good decision Mr. President!