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Pemalite on 27 February 2017
Turkish said:

So there was no need for you to respond with "ur tflopz use sucks" when you knew full well everyone and the industry people themselves use it like I did. Thats what this was about man, not whether Mark Cerny is independent or not. How many countless threads do we have discussing Switch and Scorpio specs in the same way I did itt. If you realized that, we wouldn't have this silly back and forth.

I am not going to hold you to a different standard than everyone else.
I constantly remind people that there is more to performance than single precision floating point performance, because there is, just look at my posting history. - You are not going to be an exception. - And I will likely remind you about that again in the future if you only use flops in your comparison points, don't like it? Then stiff.

EricHiggin said:

Waiting a year and either beefing up the specs or lowering the launch price would help in some ways, but I don't think their decision to launch Scorpio late 2017 is solely based on their wants and needs. No matter what they say, strategy is key. It's a big part of why PS4 has done so well.


No question that Sony has the upper-hand at the moment, Microsoft could have released Scorpio at the end of last year... But then the release would have been overshadowed by Playstation 4 Pro, Playstation has the brand power going for it at the moment.

Then they could have released it during the first half of this year... But then they would have been overshadowed by the Nintendo Switch, being something dramatically different there are so many different aspects of that device that people are talking about. (Both good and bad.)
So later in 2017 is tactically the most optimal window to get as much bang-for-your-buck with Scorpio's launch.

Plus, the hardware probably needed more time to mature and come down in costs to make it more viable, which end-of-2017 brings.

EricHiggin said:

PS4 has won this gen, end of story. The longer this gen is aloud to go on, the longer XB has to wait to get back in the game. The sooner XB can launch their next gen "no generations" console, the more pressure they put on PS to move on to PS5. Now PS would most likely want to stretch PS4 as far as it can possibly go, but if XB can come up with something much more compelling now, with specs that Pro can't come close to competing with overall, than PS is somewhat risking next gen by holding onto this gen for too long. That's not to say PS5 would have to launch immediately, but may be pushed forward quicker than PS would like, if Scorpio sales are impressive enough.

I doubt Scorpio is going to place any pressure on Sony, Sony is doing amazingly well.. Heck the Playstation 4 Pro isn't exactly a run-away seller comapared to the base Playstation 4 either.
But it is a Halo product that Sony can leverage for it's advertising to make it's platform seem better than the competition with it's superior graphics.

Scorpio should do the same thing for Microsoft, even if the bulk of machines is the regular Xbox One, Scorpio being a Halo product should make the Xbox seem more attractive in advertising thanks to it's superior graphics.

EricHiggin said:

By waiting another year, they also take a chance on being compared to PS5 instead of PS4 Pro. Right now Scorpio will look much superior to Pro. If they wait, and small leaks start seeping through the cracks, and PS5 is said to be stronger than Scorpio, and not all that far off, than it will put a damper on the Scorpio launch and its sales. Something XB most certainly does not want. XB needs to launch at a time where they can better control the marketing and message and not be as affected by the competition. Again, strategy.


I think we are still a few years away from a Playstation 5 or Xbox "Two". The technology needs to exist first and I don't think we are there yet to justify a generational leap.
Sadly these days consoles are at the mercy of the PC in regards to technology, if the PC stagnates/doesn't innovate, that impacts on the consoles as well.




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Turkish on 27 February 2017
Pemalite said:
Turkish said:

So there was no need for you to respond with "ur tflopz use sucks" when you knew full well everyone and the industry people themselves use it like I did. Thats what this was about man, not whether Mark Cerny is independent or not. How many countless threads do we have discussing Switch and Scorpio specs in the same way I did itt. If you realized that, we wouldn't have this silly back and forth.

I am not going to hold you to a different standard than everyone else.
I constantly remind people that there is more to performance than single precision floating point performance, because there is, just look at my posting history. - You are not going to be an exception. - And I will likely remind you about that again in the future if you only use flops in your comparison points, don't like it? Then stiff.

EricHiggin said:

Waiting a year and either beefing up the specs or lowering the launch price would help in some ways, but I don't think their decision to launch Scorpio late 2017 is solely based on their wants and needs. No matter what they say, strategy is key. It's a big part of why PS4 has done so well.


No question that Sony has the upper-hand at the moment, Microsoft could have released Scorpio at the end of last year... But then the release would have been overshadowed by Playstation 4 Pro, Playstation has the brand power going for it at the moment.

Then they could have released it during the first half of this year... But then they would have been overshadowed by the Nintendo Switch, being something dramatically different there are so many different aspects of that device that people are talking about. (Both good and bad.)
So later in 2017 is tactically the most optimal window to get as much bang-for-your-buck with Scorpio's launch.

Plus, the hardware probably needed more time to mature and come down in costs to make it more viable, which end-of-2017 brings.

EricHiggin said:

PS4 has won this gen, end of story. The longer this gen is aloud to go on, the longer XB has to wait to get back in the game. The sooner XB can launch their next gen "no generations" console, the more pressure they put on PS to move on to PS5. Now PS would most likely want to stretch PS4 as far as it can possibly go, but if XB can come up with something much more compelling now, with specs that Pro can't come close to competing with overall, than PS is somewhat risking next gen by holding onto this gen for too long. That's not to say PS5 would have to launch immediately, but may be pushed forward quicker than PS would like, if Scorpio sales are impressive enough.

I doubt Scorpio is going to place any pressure on Sony, Sony is doing amazingly well.. Heck the Playstation 4 Pro isn't exactly a run-away seller comapared to the base Playstation 4 either.
But it is a Halo product that Sony can leverage for it's advertising to make it's platform seem better than the competition with it's superior graphics.

Scorpio should do the same thing for Microsoft, even if the bulk of machines is the regular Xbox One, Scorpio being a Halo product should make the Xbox seem more attractive in advertising thanks to it's superior graphics.

EricHiggin said:

By waiting another year, they also take a chance on being compared to PS5 instead of PS4 Pro. Right now Scorpio will look much superior to Pro. If they wait, and small leaks start seeping through the cracks, and PS5 is said to be stronger than Scorpio, and not all that far off, than it will put a damper on the Scorpio launch and its sales. Something XB most certainly does not want. XB needs to launch at a time where they can better control the marketing and message and not be as affected by the competition. Again, strategy.


I think we are still a few years away from a Playstation 5 or Xbox "Two". The technology needs to exist first and I don't think we are there yet to justify a generational leap.
Sadly these days consoles are at the mercy of the PC in regards to technology, if the PC stagnates/doesn't innovate, that impacts on the consoles as well.

Industry people aren't doing it so there really is no reason for you to remind people of anything, especially by acting smart and condescending.



Chazore on 27 February 2017
Turkish said:

Industry people aren't doing it so there really is no reason for you to remind people of anything, especially by acting smart and condescending.

Except he's not and that last part has nothing to do with the topic at all. If he isn't to remind anyone of anything then neither are you for each time Xbox "loses" or gets crushed and constantly reminding us of what they "need to do". Follow your own words.

They won't be sticking to that Ryzen model at the end of the day.



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Intrinsic on 27 February 2017

It would be a very stupid thing for MS to do. They wait a year and release the scorpio as the XB2 in 2018. Hardware that wouldn't be a day and night difference from what we have with the PS4pro.

All sony has to do is leak information of an upcoming (insert cool code name here) and that will completely steal the steam from everything scorpio. Then e3 2019 sony does a PS5 reveal event and talks up hardware that has twice as much processing power as the scorpio and due to release in 2020.

People will wait.

If anything, I see the scorpio coming out this year to be a guarantee that we wont see new hardware from either MS or sony till around 2020. Having the PS4pro and scorpio on the market now allows them both chill and make the best and most affordable PS5/XB2 consoles they can for release around 2020/2021.



EricHiggin on 27 February 2017

 

Pemalite said:

No question that Sony has the upper-hand at the moment, Microsoft could have released Scorpio at the end of last year... But then the release would have been overshadowed by Playstation 4 Pro, Playstation has the brand power going for it at the moment.
Then they could have released it during the first half of this year... But then they would have been overshadowed by the Nintendo Switch, being something dramatically different there are so many different aspects of that device that people are talking about. (Both good and bad.)
So later in 2017 is tactically the most optimal window to get as much bang-for-your-buck with Scorpio's launch.
Plus, the hardware probably needed more time to mature and come down in costs to make it more viable, which end-of-2017 brings.

Exactly. Use the holidays to help Scorpio gain some traction early on. Waiting allows PS to run away with this gen a lot like PS2. XB has thought this through. 

Pemalite said:

I doubt Scorpio is going to place any pressure on Sony, Sony is doing amazingly well.. Heck the Playstation 4 Pro isn't exactly a run-away seller comapared to the base Playstation 4 either.
But it is a Halo product that Sony can leverage for it's advertising to make it's platform seem better than the competition with it's superior graphics.
Scorpio should do the same thing for Microsoft, even if the bulk of machines is the regular Xbox One, Scorpio being a Halo product should make the Xbox seem more attractive in advertising thanks to it's superior graphics.

Unless Scorpio is a highly subsidized semi custom Ryzen mobile + Polaris/Vega APU, which isn't impossible, but unlikely, then Scorpio shouldn't put all that much pressure on PS. Making Scorpio as powerful as possible for a Pro like price is most likely, even if XB has to ever so slightly subsidize it to hit $399. Regardless, MS has to let XB go a little bit overboard on hardware or software to try to entice players to choose XB first, or upgrade from PS4 to Scorpio. Holiday 2017 is their best chance to try and make a comeback/get ahead, depending on whats in the box and how you look at what gen it fits.

Pemalite said:

I think we are still a few years away from a Playstation 5 or Xbox "Two". The technology needs to exist first and I don't think we are there yet to justify a generational leap. 
Sadly these days consoles are at the mercy of the PC in regards to technology, if the PC stagnates/doesn't innovate, that impacts on the consoles as well.

With XB and their "no more gens" talk, it all depends on how everyone agrees to classify the Scorpio. Do you go by the name they give it, the Tflops, the overall hardware and specs? If they call it XB Two but the specs don't seem next gen, do you classify it more so as an XB1 Pro? 14nm is the best they could do right now for the APU, but if they upgrade from cat cores does it still count as this gen? Comparing Scorpio and Pro may not be as simple as every other gen. Then again, it may be exactly like PS4 and XB1, just flipped this time.



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PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

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Pemalite on 27 February 2017
EricHiggin said:

With XB and their "no more gens" talk, it all depends on how everyone agrees to classify the Scorpio. Do you go by the name they give it, the Tflops, the overall hardware and specs? If they call it XB Two but the specs don't seem next gen, do you classify it more so as an XB1 Pro? 14nm is the best they could do right now for the APU, but if they upgrade from cat cores does it still count as this gen? Comparing Scorpio and Pro may not be as simple as every other gen. Then again, it may be exactly like PS4 and XB1, just flipped this time.

I would still classify it as part of this gen... A console to me is only next gen if there is enough of a generational leap to justify the moniker.
But that's me personally.




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