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curl-6 on 19 February 2017
JRPGfan said:
SegataSanshiro said:
This looks Gamecube levels of great engineering.

It looks better. However I dont really think the gamecube level of engineering is all that impressive:

 

I personally think the PS4 slim looks way more impressively designed.

If we re giveing scores based on how smart the layout is, and space is used ect.

Gamecube was a very well balanced system; it was small, powerful, quiet, cheap, easy to develop for, had no serious bottlenecks, etc.

It may be my least favourite console of Nintendo's due to its software, but in terms of hardware even Digital Foundry heaped praise on its elegant design.



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bonzobanana on 19 February 2017
jonathanalis said:
So, 1629, means 29th week of 2016, in other words, july.

Emily(or laura, dont remember) mentioned that there is a version from july and other from october.
If it is the final version, is the july one. So, there is no other version (the october one).

So, eurogamer confirmed?

As foxconn got somethings right, but not everything like 4g, we can claim that specs were also wrong?

I don't quite understand your explanation but you have reminded me about the dates for the dev kits and this sort of confirms my theory that this teardown is for a dev kit. It's a July dev kit not even the later october dev kit. So not the final retail Switch. I was trying to work out why there wasn't any Nintendo branding on the chips like you would normally see. 



JRPGfan on 19 February 2017
SegataSanshiro said:
JRPGfan said:

 

I personally think the PS4 slim looks way more impressively designed.

If we re giveing scores based on how smart the layout is, and space is used ect.

Disagree. Gamecube is the most efficent design there is in a console. PS4 get's loud and very hot. GCN never did.

The gamecube was like 9gflops?

By virtue of being 205 times more powerfull... yes the PS4 slim might get "hot".

TronicsFix meassured the PS4slim to get 128 fahrenheit (53 celcius), the Gamecube go around 113 Fahrenheit (45 degrees).

So yeah its hotter, its probably slightly more noisy.

I still think the design layout, of the PS4 slim is much much more impressive than the gamecubes.

Nintendo was just lucky with the components of the gamecube, and the demands of the time wherent what they are today.



jonathanalis on 19 February 2017
cycycychris said:
jonathanalis said:
So, 1629, means 29th week of 2016, in other words, july.

Emily(or laura, dont remember) mentioned that there is a version from july and other from october.
If it is the final version, is the july one. So, there is no other version (the october one).

So, eurogamer confirmed?

As foxconn got somethings right, but not everything like 4g, we can claim that specs were also wrong?

No doubt in my mind that the foxconn leak is almost completely true... But they did mess the 1080p screen up and the whole sims card thing... I guess the 4G could have been lost in translation, either that or maybe he mistook the micro sd slot. At any rate, he gotten everything else correct. As far as I know, he was speculating that the chip is pascal and it being A70 or some number like that... So those aren't known. But there is no shadow of doubt in my mind that his clock rates were truely being test for 7 days, like he claimed... But its hard to say whether that test will be the clock rate in the final build. At this point thats the biggest question.

This chipset is a X1, no doubt in my mind. The only question is whether its 20nm or 16nm... I forget if either one of those rumors commented on that. A long with it being pascal or Maxwell... Which its probably Maxwell. After that, its depends on what the clock rate is. And I don't know much about adjusting clock rates, but I would believe that Nintendo might be able to adjust them even if the production date might not line up.

Correct me if Im wrong, but the foxconn leaks doesnt also said that the build was from october? So, if the teardown is from the final retail version, there is no october build, so, other point wrong to foxconn leak...(if im not mistaken)



Teriol on 19 February 2017
bonzobanana said:
Those images don't look right. The date on it of July 2016 is too old and there is no 'Nintendo' branding on the chips etc. This looks old and likely one of the early dev kits not a retail Switch unit. Confirms the dev kit has 4GB of memory and 25.6GB/s memory bandwidth for the dev kit but its not telling us what a retail unit has, hopefully the same especially after that news that Capcom requested more memory.

For the first time i agree with you, all Nintendo machines has the Nintendo logo on their chps, (nintendo IBM) etc, this is from july 2016  it is not the final devkit.



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SegataSanshiro on 19 February 2017
JRPGfan said:
SegataSanshiro said:

Disagree. Gamecube is the most efficent design there is in a console. PS4 get's loud and very hot. GCN never did.

The gamecube was like 9gflops?

By virtue of being 205 times more powerfull... yes the PS4 slim might get "hot".

TronicsFix meassured the PS4slim to get 128 fahrenheit (53 celcius), the Gamecube go around 113 Fahrenheit (45 degrees).

So yeah its hotter, its probably slightly more noisy.

I still think the design layout, of the PS4 slim is much much more impressive than the gamecubes.

Nintendo was just lucky with the components of the gamecube, and the demands of the time wherent what they are today.

It's also 12 years more advance dthan Gamecube so they could have figured a way to keep it cooler and quiet. Sony typically aims for aesthetics first in their hardware. Gamecube is my least favorite Nintendo system but it's easily one if not the best engineered console ever.



JRPGfan on 19 February 2017
SegataSanshiro said:
JRPGfan said:

The gamecube was like 9gflops?

By virtue of being 205 times more powerfull... yes the PS4 slim might get "hot".

TronicsFix meassured the PS4slim to get 128 fahrenheit (53 celcius), the Gamecube go around 113 Fahrenheit (45 degrees).

So yeah its hotter, its probably slightly more noisy.

I still think the design layout, of the PS4 slim is much much more impressive than the gamecubes.

Nintendo was just lucky with the components of the gamecube, and the demands of the time wherent what they are today.

It's also 12 years more advance dthan Gamecube so they could have figured a way to keep it cooler and quiet. Sony typically aims for aesthetics first in their hardware. Gamecube is my least favorite Nintendo system but it's easily one if not the best engineered console ever.

But why?

Is there anything that really stands out as forwards thinking? smart design, smart layout, smart usage of space?

In that sense I look at the PS4 slim and I think they did alot with very little space, and had to resort to smart design to get it all to fit in that small a box.

The same isnt true for the gamecube.



curl-6 on 19 February 2017
JRPGfan said:
SegataSanshiro said:

It's also 12 years more advance dthan Gamecube so they could have figured a way to keep it cooler and quiet. Sony typically aims for aesthetics first in their hardware. Gamecube is my least favorite Nintendo system but it's easily one if not the best engineered console ever.

But why?

Is there anything that really stands out as forwards thinking? smart design, smart layout, smart usage of space?

In that sense I look at the PS4 slim and I think they did alot with very little space, and had to resort to smart design to get it all to fit in that small a box.

The same isnt true for the gamecube.

Well yeah, it managed to pack a very powerful, quiet, and easy-to-develop-for system into a small case at a cheap price. Its components were all well balanced without any real bottlenecks. Hell, it worked so well they reused its architecture for the Wii and even the Wii U.



SegataSanshiro on 19 February 2017
JRPGfan said:
SegataSanshiro said:

It's also 12 years more advance dthan Gamecube so they could have figured a way to keep it cooler and quiet. Sony typically aims for aesthetics first in their hardware. Gamecube is my least favorite Nintendo system but it's easily one if not the best engineered console ever.

But why?

Is there anything that really stands out as forwards thinking? smart design, smart layout, smart usage of space?

In that sense I look at the PS4 slim and I think they did alot with very little space, and had to resort to smart design to get it all to fit in that small a box.

The same isnt true for the gamecube.

Gamecube was very powerful console of it's gen and in some ways bested Xbox. They got all that power in a small space very neatly packed effient and cool and quiet. GCN was a beast in power and quieter than a mouse fart running RE4 one of the most demanding games on the system. The game PS2's were catching fire on practically. Digital Foundy has gone on record praising the elegence of it and not talking the aesthetics. Sony has always put aesthetics first. PSOne has no fan and overheats pretty easy. PS2 slim also gets hot. Even my PS3 super slim get's very warm.  Nintendo has always been great in this area of making the hardware cool and very effient but Gamecube was and is in a class of it's own. Air intake was perfect for the shape of the system. Simple and straightforward. Sony likes to make them smaller yes but not necessarily more efficent,just smaller. Not the same thing.



dahuman on 20 February 2017
Bofferbrauer said:
dahuman said:

I doubt they'd use something that expensive, it'd most likely be 1600MHz in dual channel IMO.

Only if it's LPDDR4. If it's not the low power version, DDR4 2133 is basically the base model - and thus the cheapest one

When the Switch was conceived, the RAM prices where still falling and lower than nowadays, so it's possible they choose faster RAM than they would do today. LPDDR4 1600 would be too slow, as I can't see any eDRAM - the console would even choke on the bandwith in handheld mode, let alone console mode. At closer inspection, I can only see 64 lanes, which would give the switch with LPDDR4 1600 only 25.6 GB/s, way too low for graphic intensive applications like games. Even Smartphones have a higher bandwith nowadays, and not only the high-end chips.

I'm trying to keep people's expectations low so there would be no disappointments in case it's the lowest denominator, keep it all super low, just assume it's a TX1 with fucked clock and slow ram for now and wait for the teardown, speculation helps nobody lol.