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Snoopy on 19 February 2017
aLkaLiNE said:
Snoopy said:

PS4 has a strong base in North America as well. A lot of people probably picked an xbox ove playstation in united states because they are familiar with it from last gen and of course Halo, Gears, Forza , controller and xbox live.

Youre missing my point. Resolution was most likely not a deciding factor for most people. Internet gaming communities seem to be seriously disconnected from reality.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2015/02/26/survey-ps4-better-resolution-is-the-1-reason-people-buy-a-ps4/

 

Also, that has been the narative. People bought it because it was more powerful. I don't think Microsoft especially with the surface team is going to ever be outdone in terms of power again. Also, if you look at the best selling ps4 games, they're multiplatform games for the most part. I think I had a thread that pointed out that the top 30 best selling games for the ps4, only one of them were exclusive which was uncharted 4.



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malistix1985 on 19 February 2017
shikamaru317 said:
thismeintiel said:

Missed this. Current rumors are its doing what the Pro did. Same Jaguar cores, just overclocked. They may go for a slight upgrade in the cores, forgot what that was called. Still, would only make a small difference.

They are not going to use Ryzen. It has an 8 core CPU you in it. The cheapest 8 core Ryzen is $319 at launch, so MAYBE $250 for MS. Unless you want this sucker to cost $599+, which we know how that works, it ain't getting Ryzen. That'll most likely be saved for the PS5, which after nearly 2 years on the market, should be cheap enough by then for a $399 console.

They don't need to use a desktop Ryzen, some CPU cores from the upcoming line of Ryzen APU's (which launch this summer) would be more than enough for a console. APU cores are cheaper and they use less power (therefore creating less heat, which is ideal for a console). AMD actually had a Scorpio display at their Ryzen booth at CES this year, and when asked about why it was there they said that there was a reason for it but that they couldn't comment on it yet (likely due to an NDA with MS). 

Yeah if they use the summit ridge, APU's which are very affordable but still tons of times faster in performance and have a new gen memory controller and vega graphics processor the difference would be light and day against the older memory, slower bus speed and older architecture of both the GPU and CPU add more total memory and you have a generational difference easely.

But those are all hopes and rumours, personally I skipped the PS4 pro when I saw they did not inrease the memory when that has been a bottleneck on PC sinvce day one when using 4k textures, something the PS4 pro wont'do but hopefully the scorpio will it does make a huge difference.




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Aura7541 on 19 February 2017
shikamaru317 said:
thismeintiel said:

Missed this. Current rumors are its doing what the Pro did. Same Jaguar cores, just overclocked. They may go for a slight upgrade in the cores, forgot what that was called. Still, would only make a small difference.

They are not going to use Ryzen. It has an 8 core CPU you in it. The cheapest 8 core Ryzen is $319 at launch, so MAYBE $250 for MS. Unless you want this sucker to cost $599+, which we know how that works, it ain't getting Ryzen. That'll most likely be saved for the PS5, which after nearly 2 years on the market, should be cheap enough by then for a $399 console.

They don't need to use a desktop Ryzen, some CPU cores from the upcoming line of Ryzen APU's (which launch this summer) would be more than enough for a console. APU cores are cheaper and they use less power (therefore creating less heat, which is ideal for a console). AMD actually had a Scorpio display at their Ryzen booth at CES this year, and when asked about why it was there they said that there was a reason for it but that they couldn't comment on it yet (likely due to an NDA with MS). 

Though the Ryzen APUs you've mentioned are stock APUs, right? If the Scorpio is to use Ryzen, then it has to be on a semi-custom APU, but the semi-custom APUs won't come out until 2018, at least according to this article.



aLkaLiNE on 19 February 2017
Snoopy said:
aLkaLiNE said:

Youre missing my point. Resolution was most likely not a deciding factor for most people. Internet gaming communities seem to be seriously disconnected from reality.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2015/02/26/survey-ps4-better-resolution-is-the-1-reason-people-buy-a-ps4/

 

Also, that has been the narative. People bought it because it was more powerful. I don't think Microsoft especially with the surface team is going to ever be outdone in terms of power again.

That survey is years old though; had resolution been a key factor in console sales, then we would see a sales split closer to what we see in Europe for the US but we don't which implies that resolution is not nearly as important as the Internet makes you believe (considering the Ps4 has had a clear performance advantage for 3 years now). Price and library go much, much farther.

And really? So let's say Scorpio releases this year. Pro released last year. That puts Sony a year ahead on the current cycle. When their next console the Ps5 comes out (~2019) , it will undoubtedly be more powerful than Scorpio. If MS doesn't want to be left behind again then their only option will be to cut Scorpios life short by jumping into the next gen with Sony. So, best case scenario, if Ms wants to keep the console power throne then Scorpio will be relevent for a grand total of 2 years on the market. If they want to recoup more of their R&D into Scorpio, they will have to flesh out its life longer.



aLkaLiNE on 19 February 2017
Snoopy said:

 I think I had a thread that pointed out that the top 30 best selling games for the ps4, only one of them were exclusive which was uncharted 4.

Considering we don't actually have that data, that is remarkable.



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Snoopy on 19 February 2017
aLkaLiNE said:
Snoopy said:

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2015/02/26/survey-ps4-better-resolution-is-the-1-reason-people-buy-a-ps4/

 

Also, that has been the narative. People bought it because it was more powerful. I don't think Microsoft especially with the surface team is going to ever be outdone in terms of power again.

That survey is years old though; had resolution been a key factor in console sales, then we would see a sales split closer to what we see in Europe for the US but we don't which implies that resolution is not nearly as important as the Internet makes you believe (considering the Ps4 has had a clear performance advantage for 3 years now). Price and library go much, much farther.

And really? So let's say Scorpio releases this year. Pro released last year. That puts Sony a year ahead on the current cycle. When their next console the Ps5 comes out (~2019) , it will undoubtedly be more powerful than Scorpio. If MS doesn't want to be left behind again then their only option will be to cut Scorpios life short by jumping into the next gen with Sony. So, best case scenario, if Ms wants to keep the console power throne then Scorpio will be relevent for a grand total of 2 years on the market. If they want to recoup more of their R&D into Scorpio, they will have to flesh out its life longer.

There is no more generations with Microsoft. They will release a new console every 2-3 years and they have the money/resource to do that easily since they have the whole surface team behind them, similar to how what they do with tablets.  Price does play a role and that is part of the reason why Microsoft is doing this. You can probably play PS5 games and xbox scorpio 2 games on the regular xbox scorpio. So if you don't care about graphics, you can stick with the regular xbox scorpio.

 

Finally, exclusives don't hold the some weight as they once did on both sides. That is why the best selling games on ps4 and xbox one are always multiplatform games.  And like I've said before, out of the top 30 games sold on PS4, only one of them is exclusive (uncharted 4). Microsoft is leveraging off their big exclusive games still, but they know power, price,online ,friends and third party games matter a lot.

I'll be back tomorrow to debate some more, but I have some errands to complete.



Snoopy on 19 February 2017
aLkaLiNE said:
Snoopy said:

 I think I had a thread that pointed out that the top 30 best selling games for the ps4, only one of them were exclusive which was uncharted 4.

Considering we don't actually have that data, that is remarkable.

We have the ps4 database on vgchartz, which is the best we got. Another example is vgchartz did a top 10 best selling games on ps4 for 2016 and only exclusive on the list was uncharted 4.



hudsoniscool on 19 February 2017
Hiku said:
Radek said:

Final Fantasy XV, a game from the biggest Japanese franchise accounted for less than 20℅ of sales on Xbox One.

There's literally no point on asking for smaller Japanese games.
Unless Phil is prepared to pay for development costs or buy someone exclusive deals.
Nioh won't come to Xbox lol

20% doesn't seem too bad considering the 2:1 install base. I think Kingdom Hearts 3 will be a lot lower though.

I know, it's actually pretty damn good. If they had equal amount consoles it would be 40-60 right?



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

Aura7541 on 19 February 2017
shikamaru317 said:
Aura7541 said:

Though the Ryzen APUs you've mentioned are stock APUs, right? If the Scorpio is to use Ryzen, then it has to be on a semi-custom APU, but the semi-custom APUs won't come out until 2018, at least according to this article.

Hard to say really, that article is kind of outdated, I seem to recall AMD changed their release plans back in December, but I'm not sure if semi-customs will be available any sooner. I just know that Raven Ridge is coming this year, so there is a chance of Scorpio using some Raven Ridge cores. Even if Scorpio doesn't use Raven Ridge/Ryzen, I'm almost 100% certain that it won't just use an overlocked Jaguar like PS4 Pro. MS has said that balance is important to them with Scorpio, and a Jaguar CPU would most definitely create imbalance. PS4 Pro pretty much has Jaguar overclocked to it's limits (within reasonable console thermal limits), and it's still creating bottlenecks in many games, and that's with a 4.2 tflop GPU, Scorpio has a 6 tflop GPU. At the very least Scorpio will use 8 Stoney Ridge cores I'm sure, which is at least a 50% improvement over Jaguar (at the same clockrate) if I'm not mistaken. 

Ah, that's interesting. Either way, I'm really excited about Ryzen because the leaked benchmarks are looking very good.



exclusive_console on 19 February 2017
Snoopy said:
aLkaLiNE said:

That survey is years old though; had resolution been a key factor in console sales, then we would see a sales split closer to what we see in Europe for the US but we don't which implies that resolution is not nearly as important as the Internet makes you believe (considering the Ps4 has had a clear performance advantage for 3 years now). Price and library go much, much farther.

And really? So let's say Scorpio releases this year. Pro released last year. That puts Sony a year ahead on the current cycle. When their next console the Ps5 comes out (~2019) , it will undoubtedly be more powerful than Scorpio. If MS doesn't want to be left behind again then their only option will be to cut Scorpios life short by jumping into the next gen with Sony. So, best case scenario, if Ms wants to keep the console power throne then Scorpio will be relevent for a grand total of 2 years on the market. If they want to recoup more of their R&D into Scorpio, they will have to flesh out its life longer.

There is no more generations with Microsoft. They will release a new console every 2-3 years and they have the money/resource to do that easily since they have the whole surface team behind them, similar to how what they do with tablets.  Price does play a role and that is part of the reason why Microsoft is doing this. You can probably play PS5 games and xbox scorpio 2 games on the regular xbox scorpio. So if you don't care about graphics, you can stick with the regular xbox scorpio.

 

Finally, exclusives don't hold the some weight as they once did on both sides. That is why the best selling games on ps4 and xbox one are always multiplatform games.  And like I've said before, out of the top 30 games sold on PS4, only one of them is exclusive (uncharted 4). Microsoft is leveraging off their big exclusive games still, but they know power, price,online ,friends and third party games matter a lot.

I'll be back tomorrow to debate some more, but I have some errands to complete.

Wait, who says they will release a console every 2-3yrs ??? This is worse idea than upgrading 500$ gpu every 2-3yrs.

Also PS4 success was not only it was faster than Xbone it was also cheaper and they both were released during same month. When they dropped kinect as well I think the price was same as PS4. Slower ddr3 ram and edram played for their downfall as far as hardware goes more than 12CU vs 18CU of PS4.