The painful fact for console fans is that current and future games can already look much better, and run in 4K today, without having to wait for another fixed platform console to give you that short lived leg-up, and that's simply by building a gaming pc.
People that care enough about graphics already did.
How about you dont cancel Japanese Exclusives Phill?
Pemalite said:
Actually. Sony is learning from Microsoft. The Xbox One S has slighty faster hardware than the Xbox One, so it was the first console to set such a precedent. |
Well, then fine, MS learned from Sony because the PSP Slim had slightly better HW (mostly higher RAM, I believe) and used it to load games faster. Of course, I'm sure there had been other consoles before that have had a slight upgrade mid-gen, and used those upgrades to improve old games in some form or another. This is the first time we've gotten such a leap mid-gen. Unfortunately, Sony didn't have a Boost Mode at the Pro's launch. I think MS will learn from this and actually have it at launch.
Switch will be released soon, to late for xone
NATO said:
Let's kill this stupid statement once and for all shall we? Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag PS4 launch titles: 26 Neither console had over 50% multiplatform titles between each other, so yeah, you can take that %90 nonsense and burn it. PS4 sold more, because it was cheaper, better, had more games, had better exclusive games already shown off for the console, and a long standing record, even on their worst performing home console, of providing the best range of games on any system, let's not forget that the PS3 which was the laughing stock of the gaming world for the first 2 years on the market on account of it's 12-16month launch delay, prohibitively expensive price and a media constantly poking fun at it.. despite all that still clawed back the massive lead the Xbox 360 once had and finished it's generation slightly ahead. This gen they launched neck and neck, and ever since the systems launched the PS4 has consistently expanded that lead worldwide every single week, the Xbox hasn't clawed back any of that lead and continues to fall further and further behind. The writings on the wall and it's clear as day, PlayStation is a stronger brand. |
Wow theres clearly an issue with taking what is said serious and not by a figure of speech. What ever % you want to go by both consoles are very similar to eachother. To the customer there is barely any difference apart from the price tags and acouple AAA 1st party games separating the machines and im talking at launch. PS4 had both the price and power as a major selling point not games. Better or more variety of games is very debatable even to today. More games? Better games? No and no, thats clearly your impression.
I have a brother who works in the retail market chain that sells consoles and games and he tells me most customers look at preformance and price. Majority of parants who by there kids consoles buy the better deal (Price) while majority of hardcore or casual gamers buy a platform based on preformance (Power) and only the niche audience also known as fanboys buy a console based off brands and franchises.
Sony had a 1 2 hit on the sales board over its competitors and thats a massive advantage in the long run. Just look at the best selling games on both platforms and majority are the same 3rd party games leading the way. Why did the PS4 out sell the XB1 when the top selling games on both platforms are 3rd party multiplats? Well it must be something else, price and preformance maybe..
| thismeintiel said: Well, then fine, MS learned from Sony because the PSP Slim had slightly better HW (mostly higher RAM, I believe) and used it to load games faster. Of course, I'm sure there had been other consoles before that have had a slight upgrade mid-gen, and used those upgrades to improve old games in some form or another. This is the first time we've gotten such a leap mid-gen. Unfortunately, Sony didn't have a Boost Mode at the Pro's launch. I think MS will learn from this and actually have it at launch. |
Good point, I had forgotten about the PSP to be honest.
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| Azzanation said: Wow theres clearly an issue with taking what is said serious and not by a figure of speech. What ever % you want to go by both consoles are very similar to eachother. To the customer there is barely any difference apart from the price tags and acouple AAA 1st party games separating the machines and im talking at launch. PS4 had both the price and power as a major selling point not games. Better or more variety of games is very debatable even to today. More games? Better games? No and no, thats clearly your impression. I have a brother who works in the retail market chain that sells consoles and games and he tells me most customers look at preformance and price. Majority of parants who by there kids consoles buy the better deal (Price) while majority of hardcore or casual gamers buy a platform based on preformance (Power) and only the niche audience also known as fanboys buy a console based off brands and franchises. Sony had a 1 2 hit on the sales board over its competitors and thats a massive advantage in the long run. Just look at the best selling games on both platforms and majority are the same 3rd party games leading the way. Why did the PS4 out sell the XB1 when the top selling games on both platforms are 3rd party multiplats? Well it must be something else, price and preformance maybe.. |
More games and better games is clearly my impression and not an actual fact?
XBO: 1055 games, 34 exclusive 124 console exclusive 920 multiplat
PS4: 1338 games, 109 exclusive 382 console exclusive 41 timed exclusive 729 multiplat
XBO games with metacritic 90 or above: 7
PS4 games with metacritic 90 or above: 17
XBO exclusive with metacritic 90 or above: 1
PS4 exclusive with metacritic 90 or above: 5
Yep just my impression, tooootally not based on facts or anything.
Also,your brother works in retail? First of all he has my condolences, second of all, his observations are not applicable to another store let alone another state or country, and no more or less valid than anyone else's
thismeintiel said:
Missed this. Current rumors are its doing what the Pro did. Same Jaguar cores, just overclocked. They may go for a slight upgrade in the cores, forgot what that was called. Still, would only make a small difference. They are not going to use Ryzen. It has an 8 core CPU you in it. The cheapest 8 core Ryzen is $319 at launch, so MAYBE $250 for MS. Unless you want this sucker to cost $599+, which we know how that works, it ain't getting Ryzen. That'll most likely be saved for the PS5, which after nearly 2 years on the market, should be cheap enough by then for a $399 console. |
Well, there's still some time until the Scorpio is coming and Microsoft doesn't need to buy some CPU from the free market. They can just build their own thing (or let it be built by AMD). It really shouldn't be impossible to use the Ryzen architecture and there are countless reasons to go for that. Seriously, a 6 TF GPU would be bottlenecked like no tomorrow by that slow-ass Jaguar CPU. It would be a shame.
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| Pemalite said: Good point, I had forgotten about the PSP to be honest. |
Well then there's the N64 too with the expansion pak which arguably started the trend of enhancing games with the current softwares for the platform ...
| shikamaru317 said: I realize that desktop Ryzen's are much too big and power hungry to go into a console. I was referring to the Ryzen based successor to Stoney Ridge, AMD's next ultra-mobile chipset, not the Ryzen desktop APU's. The evolution of AMD's ultra mobile line looks like this: 2013- Kabini/Temash- Jaguar CPU cores | 2014- Beema/Mullins- Puma CPU cores | 2015- Carrizo L- Puma+ CPU cores | 2016- Stoney Ridge- Excavator CPU Cores | 2nd half 2017- ????? Ridge- Ryzen CPU cores
Basically what that would mean is similar size and power usage as Jaguar, but about 60% better IPC as best as I can tell. |
Just so you know, Jaguar, Puma and Puma+ are evolutionary improvements to Bobcat, they are built from the outset of being extremely tiny, energy efficient and cheap to manufacture for cost sensitive markets like netbooks and tablets.
The consoles opted for Jaguar because of all that. Small, energy efficient and cheap, allowing the consoles to spend more of their TDP and Transistor budget on the GPU portion of the SoC.
Excavator is not a successor to Puma+. And keep in mind there are two Carizzo chips. One based on Excavator, one based on Puma+.
Excavator is a successor to Bulldozer, it is the 4th generation of the Bulldozer core. It's big.
AMD did manage to get power levels down thanks to 28nm and their resonant clock mesh and optimizing layout.
And the reason why I doubt an Excavator core will be used is simple.
AMD Shares the Floating-point unit between two threads, but gives each thread it's own integer unit, which is what makes up a "module". - That ignores all the other architectural issues as well.
For Ryzen or Excavator to still be a possibile, it would need to be severely castrated to meet the transister and cost budgets, possibly even removing the L3 cache completely, which has a ton of ramifications.
Remember, Puma+ only takes up 3.1mm2 at 28nm per core. It's absolutely tiny. You could be looking at 1.5mm2 or smaller at 14nm. (And these chips are a few hundred mm2 all-told.)
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