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Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Immigration is bad for Sweden.

Has nothing to do with racism. You're just denying cultural differences, and trying to label everyone sceptical of immigration as a racist. I have never said anything negative about skin color.

Well actually you've said a lot of different things. Like immigration is bad ... but Polish immigration is awesome because they're white basically. So really, you should say what you believe, immigration of dark people is bad for Sweden, that's really what you believe. 

Not because the color of their skin.

I love Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese and Thai immigrants too. They're awesome. Work hard, cause zero problems, zero crime. They adapt very well to their new country.



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Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

I see lots of Westerners in China these days, and according to my friend that's radically different from say 20 years ago. If China becomes the defacto global superpower with lots of affluence it will attract people from all over the world. 

Sweden is a tiny country for one, lets be honest, 10 million people, Los Angeles has a much larger metro population alone. 

But looking at your racial demographics, most of your immigrants are from neighboring Finland and other European countries like Poland. About 400,000 are from the Middle East from the looks of it. So 400,000 of 10 million is approximately 0.04%. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden#Ethnicity

 

Twisted data.

It's more like 8-10%, and among people of young age it's about 15-20%. And in big cities, among young people 30-40%. Together with other foreigners, more than 50%.

Uh fuzzy math there. With "other" (read: awesome white immigrants) foreigners it should then be way more than 50% using your own logic, because Sweden has as many immigrants from Finland, Poland, and Germany as they do from the Middle East. So it would be like 70% of your population is immigrants if you want to add in all immigrants that way, which I doubt even you think makes sense. 



RolStoppable said:
Slimebeast said:

This is a low level of argumentation. But I'll respond since others are reading.

Neither black or white people should play for the French team if they don't have a genuine connection to France. A total foreigner who came to France as a 12 year old is not a frenchmen to me only because it says "France" in his passport.

About Polish people, is it my fault that they are awesome people and close to my people culturally? Is it my fault that my country benefits from Poles and other European immigrants while other immigrants are an enormous burden?

There's not a double standard whatsoever.

Hate speech laws bother me because they are misused, and they target people who just express opinions critical about immigration. Just like you imply in your very post where you label me a racist! In your world being sceptical about mass immigration of foreign culture young male migrants who commit havoc in our peaceful societies = racism.

Regarding France and Poland, you've made my point for me, so there's no need to say any more.

As for hate speech laws, they don't target people who express opinions critical of immigration. For example, they target people who are very vocal about the superiority of one race over another and propose violence and crime as solutions.

I've never seen your arguments collapse like this. You literally have no response. And totally talking against facts when it comes to Scandinavian hate laws.



Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

Well actually you've said a lot of different things. Like immigration is bad ... but Polish immigration is awesome because they're white basically. So really, you should say what you believe, immigration of dark people is bad for Sweden, that's really what you believe. 

Not because the color of their skin.

I love Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese and Thai immigrants too. They're awesome. Work hard, cause zero problems, zero crime. They adapt very well to their new country.

So then several immigrant groups seem to work out just fine then. Hmmm. 



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Twisted data.

It's more like 8-10%, and among people of young age it's about 15-20%. And in big cities, among young people 30-40%. Together with other foreigners, more than 50%.

Uh fuzzy math there. With "other" (read: awesome white immigrants) foreigners it should then be way more than 50% using your own logic, because Sweden has as many immigrants from Finland, Poland, and Germany as they do from the Middle East. So it would be like 70% of your population is immigrants if you want to add in all immigrants that way, which I doubt even you think makes sense. 

Among young people (under 18) in our biggest cities in Swedistan, ethnic Swedish young people are a minority.



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Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Not because the color of their skin.

I love Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese and Thai immigrants too. They're awesome. Work hard, cause zero problems, zero crime. They adapt very well to their new country.

So then several immigrant groups seem to work out just fine then. Hmmm. 

Of course. All the good cultures are welcome.

I said some level of separation, not total separation. I'm arguing that the West should avoid bad influences.



Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

So then several immigrant groups seem to work out just fine then. Hmmm. 

Of course. All the good cultures are welcome.

I said some level of separation, not total separation. I'm arguing that the West should avoid bad influences.

OK, I'll bite, lol, which "cultures" in your opinion should be "welcome"? And which should be turned away, and if so should all people of that culture be treated like garbage? Or do we have some moral responsibility to dilenate? 



RolStoppable said:
Slimebeast said:

I've never seen your arguments collapse like this. You literally have no response. And totally talking against facts when it comes to Scandinavian hate laws.

At this point it feels like you are masquerading your actual opinions as trolling just to see how long you can keep people going.

And you just keep twisting everything I say.

If a Polish guy plays in the Austrian team, and is not truly an Austrian, I would be just as much against it, as I am against a Congolese playing in the French team, even though I prefer the Polish people over Austrians.

I have no interest to "feed" this thread, I have other things I would like to do tonight. I just respond to some comments and defend my position, just like you do. I feel obligated to, since at the moment in this thread I am almost the only person who represents the traditionalist side.



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Of course. All the good cultures are welcome.

I said some level of separation, not total separation. I'm arguing that the West should avoid bad influences.

OK, I'll bite, lol, which "cultures" in your opinion should be "welcome"? And which should be turned away, and if so should all people of that culture be treated like garbage? Or do we have some moral responsibility to dilenate? 

Im not going further in listing cultures, because it's a sensitive topic and Im on a moderated forum.

European, Middle eastern, and a few Eastern Asian cultures should be enough for anybody to get the picture.

I oppose "treated like garbage". For once, every sovereign nation has the right to decide which people it lets in, and how it wants to organize and protect its society and its people. That's the whole point of the nation state.

But, of course it's a huge problem that all the innocent people will suffer because of the bad apples in the same culture. There are measures for that too though, but the left is vehemently against those measures, such as being very harsh against individuals who commit crime. I want to deport everyone who commit serious crime, but that's impossible because the left is opposing. It wouldn't solve the whole problem with destructive type of immigration, but it would improve it.



QUESTION: I just want to get you to clarify this very important point. Can you say definitively that nobody on your campaign had any contacts with the Russians during the campaign? And on the leaks, is it fake news or are these real leaks?

TRUMP: Well the leaks are real. You’re the one that wrote about them and reported them, I mean the leaks are real. You know what they said, you saw it and the leaks are absolutely real. The news is fake because so much of the news is fake. So one thing that I felt it was very important to do — and I hope we can correct it. Because there’s nobody I have more respect for — well, maybe a little bit but the reporters, good reporters

Trump: "The news is fake because so much of the news is fake".

I can really see why he got so much support. His reasoning is certainly unchallenged. You cannot argue against his deep and thoughtful reasoning.



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