VGPolyglot said:
Razeak said:
Higher incarceration rates of one group over another is not clear cut direct evidence of of systemic racism. That is the correlation = causation fallacy. It does matter if it is a repeat offense. The person committing the repeat offense is...repeating the offense. That is their fault. To say we shouldn't ask the question would be intellectually dishonest, but there is a possibility there isn't nefarious scheming going on behind the scenes to incarcerate black men at higher rates. I ponder from time to time that if government is allegedly responsible for so much evil against different groups then why is the answer by so many to institute more government? Why is Trump's immigration ban racist and Obama's aren't? The biggest difference between the two bans was that Trump banned all citizens from the seven countries (their threat and labeling was given or existed through the Obama administration) and Obama banned people that had visited those same seven countries. So if visiting a country on the list is a potential red flag, then we have to admit that there is an element in the country that is perceived as organizing violence against the U.S. and that they can influence others to do the same. It would be reasonable to be cautious about those that live there and are exposed directly to that influence at a much higher rate than the two Iraqi refugees from Bowling Green, KY. I also agreed with Obama's immigration bans. He may be an insensitive, mouthy person, but he isn't banning people because they are Arab. He is banning people from regions that have the highest rates of terrorist activity while they re-evaluate intelligence and vetting procedures for 90 days. BIG difference. The Mexican rapist comment is a huge, intellectually dishonest spin just like the "Trump makes fun of disabled guy" BS. He was alluding to the fact that some of the illegal immigrants are committing crimes such as rape, murder etc. once they arrive in the U.S. That point is fact. He didn't say that they are wholly responsible for crime in America. He He also acknowledged good people are coming across the border and he is right on both counts.
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Of course they're going to commit more crimes when the laws are made to be disadvantageous to poorer people. You also seen to be mistaking me for someone else: I don't like Obama either and I'm an anarchist, so I am not promoting bigger government. Also, Tump's intention was definitely to spin them as bad people. He says that they're rapists, as a fact, but then says that he assumes that some are good people, hinting at the possibility that he could be mistaken and that maybe there aren't any.
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I always hate that statement, that crimes are disadvantageous to poorer people.
Don't commit a freaking crime.
Let's take getting a parkign ticket. Very innocent crime. But you get a $15 ticket. It says on there you have 1 week to pay for it, or it costs $10 more, and then $10 more each 2 days after. (something rediculous like that. Trust me, they are rediculous. They go up exponentially in price super fast)
Now if your poor, maybe the $15 is a tough squeeze to handle right away. If you can't afford $15 right now, wow you are gonna be F*cked real soon, cause in like a month it will be like $100 or more. A weathly person can obviously handle paying the $15, or if they forget the marked up $100 or more price.
But in the end, just don't get a parking ticket. Or speeding ticket, or whatever CRIME you are committing. Say you get a DUI and your car gets impounded. That becomes like a $100 a night or something rediculous. Yes its rediculous. But again a crime, that is preventable.
So pray tell me how do we punish people for breaking the law? Hefty fines ar emeant to be a detterant. If speeding only gave one a $5 ticket, do you really thing anyone woudl care? No, everyone woudl be speeding.
And don't bring in that stupid argument of make fines proportional to income. That just brings about discrimination. You woluld have cop cars sitting there in their speed traps ignoring beaters and just pulling over mercedes or something. They would know that pulling over a crap car would get them like $100, versus a benz woudl give thema $5000 ticket. And the rich woudl just then drive beaters, or have someone drive them.