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Snoopy said:

Scorpio will have 4k rez and 4k texture (according to fallout developer) so there is going to be features and advantages already.

It is also the goal Microsoft has been aiming for.

VAMatt said:
This seems unlikely to me, especially because of the play anywhere stuff. There would be no way to say that PCs cant handle it if Scorpio can, and MS has more-or-less promised that XB1s and PCs will get the same MS games. So, I can't see how they'd manage not to seriously piss of the OG XB1 owners (who will likely still be the larger portion of the install base).

Irrellevent, mostly because Halo 6 is unlikely to end up on PC.
There hasn't been a mainline Halo game on PC since Halo 2.

teamsilent13 said:

Well it's still a Halo game made by 343, so it's going to be garbage. Splitscreen is the least of issues with Halo right now. If they start siphoning off features they might as well just give up on the xbox brand. The xbox one has been about as useful to me as the original Wii. The 360 on the other hand is among my favorite consoles of all time. I sometimes feel MS is trying to kill of xbox by putting all their games on PC and the absolute failure that is the one. I don't game much anymore because this generation isn't in my tastes, but if I come back I am looking at Sony or just moving to PC entirely. PC sales have been down so maybe they want people to buy new PCs for games. Conspiracy talk, but it really seems like they just don't care about xbox.

I wouldn't call the games "Garbage" - They're all solid titles in their own right when compared against other franchises, they are just average games compared to the first trilogy of games... Which is what they rightfully get compared against.

Also. Gaming PC sales are increasing, they haven't stopped increasing. Gaming PC's and NUC's are the bright spots of the PC industry as a whole, with that in mind, I couldn't care if an Xbox Game is on PC, I don't view a console as a PC replacement, I see it as a platform that Augments the PC.

Imaginedvl said:
No...
First the idea is ridiculous imo. And second, if Halo 6 is bringing back Split Screen it will be on all Xbox One and not just the scorpio. It would not make any sense to make it exclusive to the premium Xbox One only and Microsoft would never do that for no reason.

There is a technical reason to doing it.

Split Screen requires more resources to pull off, that's performance that is potentially taken away from the 60fps goal or better graphics. (And Halo 5's Graphics were mediocre to begin with.)
Prior Halo Games tend to sacrifice framerate/effects in split screen.

With that said, I doubt anyone would complain if they simply just halved the framerate for split screen, but then that could have ramifications for online multiplayer.




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Bandorr said:
Can't see that happening.

"Hey know how we pissed you off by removing co-op? Well it is back.
... if you buy our new expensive console. That won't actually have any exclusive games".

The scorpio having "exclusive" or "features" will piss off the entire xb1/s fanbase.

you do realize this is MS we are talking about, right?



they will bring at on both.....



I wouldn't rule that out. If they can maintain 1080p/60fps in split screen mode on the Scorpio they will likely prioritize that and maintain those stats for one-screen gameplay on the one.



teamsilent13 said:

Well it's still a Halo game made by 343, so it's going to be garbage. Splitscreen is the least of issues with Halo right now. If they start siphoning off features they might as well just give up on the xbox brand. The xbox one has been about as useful to me as the original Wii. The 360 on the other hand is among my favorite consoles of all time. I sometimes feel MS is trying to kill of xbox by putting all their games on PC and the absolute failure that is the one. I don't game much anymore because this generation isn't in my tastes, but if I come back I am looking at Sony or just moving to PC entirely. PC sales have been down so maybe they want people to buy new PCs for games. Conspiracy talk, but it really seems like they just don't care about xbox.

Nah, the Halo games made by 343i are better, especially the SP in 4 and MP in 5. They only get crap from old fans that are bitter about the games evolving to be 343i's vision of Halo, not Bungie's. Halo 5 not having split screen was a big issue and they got alot of rightful criticism because of it. But the games as a whole are fantastic and the multiplayer in Halo 5 IMO is by far the best in the series.



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Puppyroach said:
teamsilent13 said:

Well it's still a Halo game made by 343, so it's going to be garbage. Splitscreen is the least of issues with Halo right now. If they start siphoning off features they might as well just give up on the xbox brand. The xbox one has been about as useful to me as the original Wii. The 360 on the other hand is among my favorite consoles of all time. I sometimes feel MS is trying to kill of xbox by putting all their games on PC and the absolute failure that is the one. I don't game much anymore because this generation isn't in my tastes, but if I come back I am looking at Sony or just moving to PC entirely. PC sales have been down so maybe they want people to buy new PCs for games. Conspiracy talk, but it really seems like they just don't care about xbox.

Nah, the Halo games made by 343i are better, especially the SP in 4 and MP in 5. They only get crap from old fans that are bitter about the games evolving to be 343i's vision of Halo, not Bungie's. Halo 5 not having split screen was a big issue and they got alot of rightful criticism because of it. But the games as a whole are fantastic and the multiplayer in Halo 5 IMO is by far the best in the series.

No need to call folks bitter. I agree with teamsilent on this. 343 has been a poor shepherd of the series. Halo 4, for me, is the worst game in the series. The multiplayer is a confused and watered-down version of Call of Duty, and the single-player is just as bad. The story is mawkish and embarrassing, the level design is linear and uninspired, the QTEs are intrusive, and the artificial intelligence a step backward from Bungie's excellent work in Reach.

The single-player campaign in 5 is worse, if that's possible. The AI companions are as dumb as a sack of doorknobs, the story alternates between bewildering and silly, and the entire thing runs out of gas in the final act. It's saved somewhat by the return of arena multiplayer and the inclusion of Warzone (343's best and only meaningful contribution to Halo) but it's still a poor game, especially compared to earlier games in the series.

There are reasons people don't like the 343 games, and it's not bitterness or nostalgia. It's because 343 has turned the series into something far less enjoyable and far less enduring.



Not going to happen, they can always lower textures/resolution to allow split screen to happen, the xbox one might not be the fastest machine alive but its quite close to the ps4 and it runs most games quite well and first party games have all ran really good on the console.

If they can enable split screen in Gears 4, which is one of the better looking current gen games, halo 6 should be no problem either and Gears even had quite a lot of physics and crap on screen and ran 1080p with a dynamic resolution on medium/high settings which pushed much more powerfull pc's quite a bit extra.

Halo 6 will run in 4k with dynamic resolution on scorpio and in 1080p with dynamic resolution on xbox one and both will have all the same features, multiplayer will run on a solid 60fps.




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Veknoid_Outcast said:
Puppyroach said:

Nah, the Halo games made by 343i are better, especially the SP in 4 and MP in 5. They only get crap from old fans that are bitter about the games evolving to be 343i's vision of Halo, not Bungie's. Halo 5 not having split screen was a big issue and they got alot of rightful criticism because of it. But the games as a whole are fantastic and the multiplayer in Halo 5 IMO is by far the best in the series.

No need to call folks bitter. I agree with teamsilent on this. 343 has been a poor shepherd of the series. Halo 4, for me, is the worst game in the series. The multiplayer is a confused and watered-down version of Call of Duty, and the single-player is just as bad. The story is mawkish and embarrassing, the level design is linear and uninspired, the QTEs are intrusive, and the artificial intelligence a step backward from Bungie's excellent work in Reach.

The single-player campaign in 5 is worse, if that's possible. The AI companions are as dumb as a sack of doorknobs, the story alternates between bewildering and silly, and the entire thing runs out of gas in the final act. It's saved somewhat by the return of arena multiplayer and the inclusion of Warzone (343's best and only meaningful contribution to Halo) but it's still a poor game, especially compared to earlier games in the series.

There are reasons people don't like the 343 games, and it's not bitterness or nostalgia. It's because 343 has turned the series into something far less enjoyable and far less enduring.

Some fans being bitter is the view I have of them since they can´t let go of the Halo of old. Calling the games "garbage" is irrational and signs of being bitter. They are not garbage in any way. You might think they are not as good as the old ones, but calling them garbage just goes to show it´s an emotional response, not a reflective one. It actually started happening with Reach,, this fan outrage, simply because Bungie started to evolve the formula for the game. Halo CE has an amazing story and was revolutionary for its time, but it had bad MP Halo 2 had a poorly told SP campaign, saved by an incredibly strong MP. Halo 3 had a bit weaker MP than Halo 2 but was overall a fantastic package. In my view, Halo 4-6 is following the same path, where 343i are coming into their own and will likely combine 4 and 5 t make a complete package for the 6th entry in the series.

Halo 5 sold 5 million within its first 3 months and will likely match Halo 2 in sales. it´s MP continues to be succesful, forge is the best it´s ever been and they have an over-arching idea with the story that I´m positive will show itself in Halo 6.

Halo has had an issue since the third entry, and that is that the story has become so complex that it´s hard for newcomers to get into it. I would hope that 343i will rectify some issue with Halo 5 for the next game, mainly:

- Splitscreen: This is my biggest gripe and the one thing I am angry about.

- Improve on armor mods and REQ system: The REQ system is brilliant but a bit too simplistic to be as enjoyable as it can be. Also, we need more armor mods like in the past (Reach did it great).

- Simplify storytelling: We need a summary at the beginning of each game and a more linear way of telling the story. It gets a bit to complex sometimes, especially for new fans.



Puppyroach said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

No need to call folks bitter. I agree with teamsilent on this. 343 has been a poor shepherd of the series. Halo 4, for me, is the worst game in the series. The multiplayer is a confused and watered-down version of Call of Duty, and the single-player is just as bad. The story is mawkish and embarrassing, the level design is linear and uninspired, the QTEs are intrusive, and the artificial intelligence a step backward from Bungie's excellent work in Reach.

The single-player campaign in 5 is worse, if that's possible. The AI companions are as dumb as a sack of doorknobs, the story alternates between bewildering and silly, and the entire thing runs out of gas in the final act. It's saved somewhat by the return of arena multiplayer and the inclusion of Warzone (343's best and only meaningful contribution to Halo) but it's still a poor game, especially compared to earlier games in the series.

There are reasons people don't like the 343 games, and it's not bitterness or nostalgia. It's because 343 has turned the series into something far less enjoyable and far less enduring.

Some fans being bitter is the view I have of them since they can´t let go of the Halo of old. Calling the games "garbage" is irrational and signs of being bitter. They are not garbage in any way. You might think they are not as good as the old ones, but calling them garbage just goes to show it´s an emotional response, not a reflective one. It actually started happening with Reach,, this fan outrage, simply because Bungie started to evolve the formula for the game. Halo CE has an amazing story and was revolutionary for its time, but it had bad MP Halo 2 had a poorly told SP campaign, saved by an incredibly strong MP. Halo 3 had a bit weaker MP than Halo 2 but was overall a fantastic package. In my view, Halo 4-6 is following the same path, where 343i are coming into their own and will likely combine 4 and 5 t make a complete package for the 6th entry in the series.

Halo 5 sold 5 million within its first 3 months and will likely match Halo 2 in sales. it´s MP continues to be succesful, forge is the best it´s ever been and they have an over-arching idea with the story that I´m positive will show itself in Halo 6.

Halo has had an issue since the third entry, and that is that the story has become so complex that it´s hard for newcomers to get into it. I would hope that 343i will rectify some issue with Halo 5 for the next game, mainly:

- Splitscreen: This is my biggest gripe and the one thing I am angry about.

- Improve on armor mods and REQ system: The REQ system is brilliant but a bit too simplistic to be as enjoyable as it can be. Also, we need more armor mods like in the past (Reach did it great).

- Simplify storytelling: We need a summary at the beginning of each game and a more linear way of telling the story. It gets a bit to complex sometimes, especially for new fans.

But should they learn to let go? If they think the Bungie formula worked better, why not champion it moving forward? Halo is one of my favorite series of all time -- definitely my favorite FPS series -- but I remain disappointed with what 343/Microsoft have done with the property.

I'll agree that 343 learned its lesson from Halo 4 in terms of multiplayer. The multiplayer options in 5 are pretty sweet by comparison. I still think Halo 3 is the high water-mark for Halo multiplayer, though.

The single-player is still a mess though. Bullet-sponge bosses; waves of dumb enemies; a plot that requires pre-reading; over-reliance on cinematic cut-scenes and cinematic storytelling in general; and, worst of all, lazy level design and enemy placement that cuts at the heart of the series - tactical, improvisational gunplay. It's as if 343 thinks people love Halo only because of its mythology.

I do like your suggestions: bring back split-screen multiplayer and go back to a simpler, stream-lined plot. I dunno about REQs though. I'm actually not a big fan. I know 343 put systems in place to avoid abuse, but I'm just uncomfortable with the microtransaction-y element of it.

I just think 343 is so eager to prove itself different from Bungie that it's thrown away a lot of the progress made under the old regime. 343 has aped Call of Duty, Titanfall, and Battlefield, all in an attempt to make Halo different and unique. The result is something that's inferior to all of the above.



Smh nothing can be lower than CoD Titanfall and BF when it comes to single player FPS... You just voided the validity of your entire argument here.... It's just impossible to make that statement seriously.... No matter how much you dislike 343 take on the story