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Leadified said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, letting Hitler have a platform to speak on was what led him to having power to commit genocide in the first place. Nothing good come out of giving fascists a stage to perform.

Hold on a second, how do you define who is a "fascist"? There's a pretty big gap between someone like Milo and Hitler, if you start to shut down people from speaking then not only does that completely erode a free society but you're paving the way for an authoritarian state.

I wasn't referring to Milo in particular, I was speaking in general terms where many racists are allowed to speak and gain a large following. Anyways, here's one quote from him:

I believe in and love the populist, nationalist, antiglobalist rebellion happening all over the West

The part that concerns me the most is the nationalist part: fascism is basically nationalism on steroids.

Edit: Here's another quote of his that I found:

America's got to take a break from foreign wars, and take a break from immigration.

Now, I don't mind the first part, but the second part si very disturbing to me, as he seems to be a very nationalist person.



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Here's another great quote from Milo:

"If white privilege is a thing, why are people working so hard to be black? All of the award shows and cultural events favor black culture."

I now know that he is definitely preferring a white-supremacist society.



Good on Jonathan Blow for taking a step back and seeing the big picture.

This all boils down to one question: Does the President have the right to limit immigration if he believes there is a threat to national security?

The answer, per Federal Immigration Law, is Yes:

(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

So whether one agrees with the Executive Order or not, it is perfectly legal, and no amount of rioting, vandalism, or other criminal acts will change that. Nor should they, since we are a country of law and order.

Questions about the method of implementation, etc. are perfectly fine, but we do not have the right to violently oppose a President who is following established legal processes to implement a legal change in an orderly way. This "ban" is only for seven specific countries for 90 days; surely we can wait and see what the outcome is.



Otter said:

I mean I partially agree with him, both people from the right and left both have very regressive behaviours but I don't see how that should shape his political leaning?

You don't suddenly go from wanting public health care to wanting it all privatised because the lefties on twitter are annoying you. Being liberal or conservative doens't mean condoning the behaviour or methods of your peers. 

Edit: Having freedom of speech doesn't mean you get a stage at a University. I just came across this which is gross and is certainly enough for any Universities to enforce a ban on his attendance.

"While speaking at UW-Milwaukee on Dec. 13, Yiannopoulos openly harassed and bullied a student at the school in front of her peers, while she was in attendance. Although he likely did not know she was there, Yiannopoulos used her name, displayed her picture and said hateful and disgusting remarks about her. "

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/milo-yiannopoulos-harassed-a-trans-student-at-uw-milwaukee.html

I found the video, just cause I wanted to make sure it wasn't a fake news story or made up,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2oV1QKUMdM

You know, I was on his side as far as letting him talk and express himself to his audience/base, but if this is the shit he's pulling, then yeah fuck him and ban his ass from talking anywhere. One thing is putting an ideology or a large organization as a whole, but to put one specific person that actively goes to that place on blast, i hope this dude gets hit by a truck with the word "cancer" right next to it (since I can't wish for somebody to get cancer or i'll get banned)



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zaanan said:

Good on Jonathan Blow for taking a step back and seeing the big picture.

This all boils down to one question: Does the President have the right to limit immigration if he believes there is a threat to national security?

The answer, per Federal Immigration Law, is Yes:

(f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

So whether one agrees with the Executive Order or not, it is perfectly legal, and no amount of rioting, vandalism, or other criminal acts will change that. Nor should they, since we are a country of law and order.

Questions about the method of implementation, etc. are perfectly fine, but we do not have the right to violently oppose a President who is following established legal processes to implement a legal change in an orderly way. This "ban" is only for seven specific countries for 90 days; surely we can wait and see what the outcome is.

The problem is though that the laws were written by rich people. Obviously it's going to favour rich people. The vast majority of the people had no say in whether the law should exist or not.



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Sowing hate
Spreading division
Inciting hatred

All airy fairy nonsense that doesn't mean anything to people who understand what personal responsibility is. The Left is purposely trying to equate 'hate speech' with actual physical violence to justify their actions.

If you wanna 'attack the patriarchy' go and throw some bricks at riot police, don't go smashing your fellow citizens head in with metal poles.

Comparing Milo to Richard Spencer is pathetic, comparing Richard Spencer to Hitler is even more ridiculous. The 'white nationalist' movement has more in common with a Save the Whales/Pandas eco group than the National Socialists. If they want to set up a white ethno-state, so what? As long as it's only Communists who get put a in a concentration camp and gassed, who cares?

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hitler was a national socialist, not a fascist. national socialism is an extreme left wing ideology just like communism. fascism is capitalism on steroids and it has nothing to do with socialism.



Pyro as Bill said:
Sowing hate
Spreading division
Inciting hatred

All airy fairy nonsense that doesn't mean anything to people who understand what personal responsibility is. The Left is purposely trying to equate 'hate speech' with actual physical violence to justify their actions.

If you wanna 'attack the patriarchy' go and throw some bricks at riot police, don't go smashing your fellow citizens head in with metal poles.

Comparing Milo to Richard Spencer is pathetic, comparing Richard Spencer to Hitler is even more ridiculous. The 'white nationalist' movement has more in common with a Save the Whales/Pandas eco group than the National Socialists. If they want to set up a white ethno-state, so what? As long as it's only Communists who get put a in a concentration camp and gassed, who cares?

Yeah, so what if I get put in a camp and gassed, who cares what happens to me? Do you see why I consider white supremacists as a threat, even though I myself am white? You complain how white supremacists shouldn't be prevented from committing hate speech, yet want to kill communists for the heinous crime of supporting a society where oppression, racism and sexism are discouraged.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
hitler was a national socialist, not a fascist. national socialism is an extreme left wing ideology just like communism. fascism is capitalism on steroids and it has nothing to do with socialism.

So, are we calling North Korea a democracy too, because that's what they call themselves? Hitler was not a socialist, it doesn't matter what he called himself, it matters what his policies were.



VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, so what if I get put in a camp and gassed, who cares what happens to me? Do you see why I consider white supremacists as a threat, even though I myself am white? You complain how white supremacists shouldn't be prevented from committing hate speech, yet want to kill communists for the heinous crime of supporting a society where oppression, racism and sexism are discouraged.

Except communist regimes have historically been the most oppressive and murderous of all.

Once you say, "This guy's a Nazi, punch him in the face!" you don't have a leg to stand on to demand the freedom to promote your own objectionable ideology. And everyone's ideology is objectionable to someone, so...