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bonzobanana on 03 February 2017
Nuvendil said:
Miyamotoo said:Going from 4 players - 720p/30fps on Wii U, to 4 players - 1080p/60fps with better graphics on Switch, is very big boost and tells us that Switch hardware is much more capable than Wii Us.

 Not only that, but "with much more details enabled".

Sub 720p. One of the tricks they pulled was faking resolution a bit, using a technique not too dissimilar from what Killzone Shadowfall used.  This statement plus direct feed footage indicate that trick is not in use with FAST RMX which means it is rendering at a full 1080p resolution. 

And the idea that a multiplat is the most reliable guage of power for a system is kinda silly.  That's what led some early on to conclude the PS3 was weaker than the 360.  I mean, the PS3 version of Skyrim ran like crap and looked inferior for freaking months, I love Bethesda but they are no wizards.  They've gotten better though.

Exclusives by studios who know what they are doing are always the best guage of the actual capabilities of a platform.  And that goes for Switch, PS4, Xbone, 3DS, any platform.

Hardly silly there was a real reason why the ps3 skyrim was a struggle and that was the split memory of 256MB video and 256MB main for a large game engine plus the ps3 was notoriously difficult to develop for with a steep learning curve because of the cell architecture. We only have arm cpu's here and a fairly standard nvidia gpu architecture.  

Fast RMX is just a very basic engine with decent graphics its not a real test for any console. Your not creating a complicated environment. You get visually pleasing racers on humble android hardware its just not something that should be considered when you are comparing performance of systems unless you have set your expectations to a very low level.

A quick look at the game compared to Wipeout shows RMX with more pop-in, more blurring and more often repeated detail and textures. The environment is less alive without other details like trains moving, vehicles in flight. Wipeout certainly doesn't look outclassed and at the very least is a similar performance level. This isn't my type of game though I have to say not something I would enjoy and chucking amazing visuals at the screen and not much else is not what I would call a test of a system. I used to play Wipeout in amazing 3D on my projector with the beating 7.1 soundtrack on my home cinema system but ultimately I didn't find the playability compelling enough and got bored of it quickly and Fast RMX looks even worse in that regard and on a small 6.2" screen is incredibly unappealling. More a tech demo than a well rounded gameplay experience. While I'm not arguing that Wipeout isn't shit as one commentator put it, to me RMX looks even more shit. However in fairness I don't know how many people want this title. Was 'Fast Racing Neo' a huge seller? Is this title important to the Switch library or just a title destined for insignificant sales anyway with few people bothering with it. I've never played Fast Racing Neo, no idea how it handles, what the combat is like, what sort of interesting characters you play against in the game etc. I like wheels and noisy engine sounds in my racing games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbf5Ef9CTIw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHLesmVCJas 

Make sure you use the 1080p option on youtube.



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Barkley on 03 February 2017

Very nice, will be a much better splitscreen experience, played 3 player on Fast Racing Neo and was fun but having a quarter of a 720p screen is a little annoying, especially when you don't know the tracks that well yet.

Though I'm looking forward to a PS4 release simply because then we can all have our own screen.



fedfed on 03 February 2017

great!



Switch!!!

curl-6 on 03 February 2017
bonzobanana said:

Hardly silly there was a real reason why the ps3 skyrim was a struggle and that was the split memory of 256MB video and 256MB main for a large game engine plus the ps3 was notoriously difficult to develop for with a steep learning curve because of the cell architecture. We only have arm cpu's here and a fairly standard nvidia gpu architecture.  

Fast RMX is just a very basic engine with decent graphics its not a real test for any console. Your not creating a complicated environment. You get visually pleasing racers on humble android hardware its just not something that should be considered when you are comparing performance of systems unless you have set your expectations to a very low level.

A quick look at the game compared to Wipeout shows RMX with more pop-in, more blurring and more often repeated detail and textures. The environment is less alive without other details like trains moving, vehicles in flight. Wipeout certainly doesn't look outclassed and at the very least is a similar performance level. This isn't my type of game though I have to say not something I would enjoy and chucking amazing visuals at the screen and not much else is not what I would call a test of a system. I used to play Wipeout in amazing 3D on my projector with the beating 7.1 soundtrack on my home cinema system but ultimately I didn't find the playability compelling enough and got bored of it quickly and Fast RMX looks even worse in that regard and on a small 6.2" screen is incredibly unappealling. More a tech demo than a well rounded gameplay experience. While I'm not arguing that Wipeout isn't shit as one commentator put it, to me RMX looks even more shit. However in fairness I don't know how many people want this title. Was 'Fast Racing Neo' a huge seller? Is this title important to the Switch library or just a title destined for insignificant sales anyway with few people bothering with it. I've never played Fast Racing Neo, no idea how it handles, what the combat is like, what sort of interesting characters you play against in the game etc. I like wheels and noisy engine sounds in my racing games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbf5Ef9CTIw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHLesmVCJas 

Make sure you use the 1080p option on youtube.

This is Wipeout HD:

This is FAST RMX

Graphically, there's no context, FAST RMX is lightyears beyond Wipeout.



Kuksenkov on 04 February 2017

These guys are really good at what they do, no doubt.



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Alkibiádēs on 04 February 2017
bonzobanana said:
Nuvendil said:

Sub 720p. One of the tricks they pulled was faking resolution a bit, using a technique not too dissimilar from what Killzone Shadowfall used.  This statement plus direct feed footage indicate that trick is not in use with FAST RMX which means it is rendering at a full 1080p resolution. 

And the idea that a multiplat is the most reliable guage of power for a system is kinda silly.  That's what led some early on to conclude the PS3 was weaker than the 360.  I mean, the PS3 version of Skyrim ran like crap and looked inferior for freaking months, I love Bethesda but they are no wizards.  They've gotten better though.

Exclusives by studios who know what they are doing are always the best guage of the actual capabilities of a platform.  And that goes for Switch, PS4, Xbone, 3DS, any platform.

Hardly silly there was a real reason why the ps3 skyrim was a struggle and that was the split memory of 256MB video and 256MB main for a large game engine plus the ps3 was notoriously difficult to develop for with a steep learning curve because of the cell architecture. We only have arm cpu's here and a fairly standard nvidia gpu architecture.  

Fast RMX is just a very basic engine with decent graphics its not a real test for any console. Your not creating a complicated environment. You get visually pleasing racers on humble android hardware its just not something that should be considered when you are comparing performance of systems unless you have set your expectations to a very low level.

A quick look at the game compared to Wipeout shows RMX with more pop-in, more blurring and more often repeated detail and textures. The environment is less alive without other details like trains moving, vehicles in flight. Wipeout certainly doesn't look outclassed and at the very least is a similar performance level. This isn't my type of game though I have to say not something I would enjoy and chucking amazing visuals at the screen and not much else is not what I would call a test of a system. I used to play Wipeout in amazing 3D on my projector with the beating 7.1 soundtrack on my home cinema system but ultimately I didn't find the playability compelling enough and got bored of it quickly and Fast RMX looks even worse in that regard and on a small 6.2" screen is incredibly unappealling. More a tech demo than a well rounded gameplay experience. While I'm not arguing that Wipeout isn't shit as one commentator put it, to me RMX looks even more shit. However in fairness I don't know how many people want this title. Was 'Fast Racing Neo' a huge seller? Is this title important to the Switch library or just a title destined for insignificant sales anyway with few people bothering with it. I've never played Fast Racing Neo, no idea how it handles, what the combat is like, what sort of interesting characters you play against in the game etc. I like wheels and noisy engine sounds in my racing games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbf5Ef9CTIw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHLesmVCJas 

Make sure you use the 1080p option on youtube.

Based on those two videos I would say Fast Racing RMX is easily a full generational leap lol. I can emulate Gamecube games on my Dolphin that would look better than Whipeout. 



"The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" - Thoukydides

mountaindewslave on 04 February 2017
Teriol said:
Miyamotoo said:

Going from 4 players - 720p/30fps on Wii U, to 4 players - 1080p/60fps with better graphics on Switch, tells us that Switch hardware is much more capable than Wii Us.

 

 Not only that, but "with much more details enabled".

Indeed, it is a very big boost, and Wipeout graphics are shit compare with FRN

this, Wipeout PS3 looks nowhere near as good as FRN



Teriol on 04 February 2017
Miyamotoo said:
spemanig said:

Pretty much. Shinen is overrated.

Basicly nothing he wroted doesnt make sense.

-Fast Racing Neo looks much better than Wipeout, it has much more modern graphic and definitely is much more demanding game, also Fast Racing Neo has 4 player split screen runing on 60 fps on Switch while Wipeout only 2 player split screen.

-Point is that on Wii U game runing at 720p/30fps and on Switch is 1080p/60fps with better graphics, thats good indicator about difrence in posibites of Switch compared to Wii U.

-Multiplatform (espacily Bethesda) game cannot be indicator of Switch performance. Far more important are exclusive games that are actualy done good, not same lazy ports.

If we talking about pushing hardware, Shinen definatly is not overrated.

Your rigth.

and (Spemanig) Shinen overated?? this guys are geniuses they port their engine to the Switch in 1 month.



34 years playing games.

 

mountaindewslave on 04 February 2017
bonzobanana said:
Nuvendil said:

Sub 720p. One of the tricks they pulled was faking resolution a bit, using a technique not too dissimilar from what Killzone Shadowfall used.  This statement plus direct feed footage indicate that trick is not in use with FAST RMX which means it is rendering at a full 1080p resolution. 

And the idea that a multiplat is the most reliable guage of power for a system is kinda silly.  That's what led some early on to conclude the PS3 was weaker than the 360.  I mean, the PS3 version of Skyrim ran like crap and looked inferior for freaking months, I love Bethesda but they are no wizards.  They've gotten better though.

Exclusives by studios who know what they are doing are always the best guage of the actual capabilities of a platform.  And that goes for Switch, PS4, Xbone, 3DS, any platform.

Hardly silly there was a real reason why the ps3 skyrim was a struggle and that was the split memory of 256MB video and 256MB main for a large game engine plus the ps3 was notoriously difficult to develop for with a steep learning curve because of the cell architecture. We only have arm cpu's here and a fairly standard nvidia gpu architecture.  

Fast RMX is just a very basic engine with decent graphics its not a real test for any console. Your not creating a complicated environment. You get visually pleasing racers on humble android hardware its just not something that should be considered when you are comparing performance of systems unless you have set your expectations to a very low level.

A quick look at the game compared to Wipeout shows RMX with more pop-in, more blurring and more often repeated detail and textures. The environment is less alive without other details like trains moving, vehicles in flight. Wipeout certainly doesn't look outclassed and at the very least is a similar performance level. This isn't my type of game though I have to say not something I would enjoy and chucking amazing visuals at the screen and not much else is not what I would call a test of a system. I used to play Wipeout in amazing 3D on my projector with the beating 7.1 soundtrack on my home cinema system but ultimately I didn't find the playability compelling enough and got bored of it quickly and Fast RMX looks even worse in that regard and on a small 6.2" screen is incredibly unappealling. More a tech demo than a well rounded gameplay experience. While I'm not arguing that Wipeout isn't shit as one commentator put it, to me RMX looks even more shit. However in fairness I don't know how many people want this title. Was 'Fast Racing Neo' a huge seller? Is this title important to the Switch library or just a title destined for insignificant sales anyway with few people bothering with it. I've never played Fast Racing Neo, no idea how it handles, what the combat is like, what sort of interesting characters you play against in the game etc. I like wheels and noisy engine sounds in my racing games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbf5Ef9CTIw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHLesmVCJas 

Make sure you use the 1080p option on youtube.

if you are seriously suggesting Wipeout looks anywhere near as good as Fast RMX, especially with the footage you used for your example (even in 1080p) then you're out of your mind



bonzobanana on 04 February 2017
curl-6 said:
bonzobanana said:

Hardly silly there was a real reason why the ps3 skyrim was a struggle and that was the split memory of 256MB video and 256MB main for a large game engine plus the ps3 was notoriously difficult to develop for with a steep learning curve because of the cell architecture. We only have arm cpu's here and a fairly standard nvidia gpu architecture.  

Fast RMX is just a very basic engine with decent graphics its not a real test for any console. Your not creating a complicated environment. You get visually pleasing racers on humble android hardware its just not something that should be considered when you are comparing performance of systems unless you have set your expectations to a very low level.

A quick look at the game compared to Wipeout shows RMX with more pop-in, more blurring and more often repeated detail and textures. The environment is less alive without other details like trains moving, vehicles in flight. Wipeout certainly doesn't look outclassed and at the very least is a similar performance level. This isn't my type of game though I have to say not something I would enjoy and chucking amazing visuals at the screen and not much else is not what I would call a test of a system. I used to play Wipeout in amazing 3D on my projector with the beating 7.1 soundtrack on my home cinema system but ultimately I didn't find the playability compelling enough and got bored of it quickly and Fast RMX looks even worse in that regard and on a small 6.2" screen is incredibly unappealling. More a tech demo than a well rounded gameplay experience. While I'm not arguing that Wipeout isn't shit as one commentator put it, to me RMX looks even more shit. However in fairness I don't know how many people want this title. Was 'Fast Racing Neo' a huge seller? Is this title important to the Switch library or just a title destined for insignificant sales anyway with few people bothering with it. I've never played Fast Racing Neo, no idea how it handles, what the combat is like, what sort of interesting characters you play against in the game etc. I like wheels and noisy engine sounds in my racing games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbf5Ef9CTIw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHLesmVCJas 

Make sure you use the 1080p option on youtube.

This is Wipeout HD:

This is FAST RMX

Graphically, there's no context, FAST RMX is lightyears beyond Wipeout.

Hardly the most flattering of images for wipeout. I did link 2 videos of both games so people could get a general look at how courses compare. 

This is from a replay but does show wipeout off better.

http://simoncpage.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/wohd_20080926_205117.jpg

PS3 wipeout is incredibly detailed when you get close to the craft and as I said there is more happening in the race world as well. I certainly don't see outclassed at all by Fast RMX. However I won't pass final judgement until we get more details and have seen some reviews. Fast Racing Neo was pretty rough in places and used a lot of cheating and lets just see how the Switch version compares in its final form. We may be comparing a actual retail game (ps3) with a higher spec dev kit game (Switch).

Also none of the ps3 wipeout videos seem to show the sharpness because Wipeout is so old that some of the captures are probably using consumer grade equipment less than 1080p but I think there is a screengrab at full quality when doing replays from the ps3 itself.

I tried to find a Fast RMX image without the horrible motion blurring effect which seems to be on most of the time apart from when the race is starting and this is the best I could come up with. It does follow the Wipeout design philosophy of a very detailed race vehicle which I guess is where the player's focus will be and its direct surroundings.