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Forums - Politics - So, Trump's ban on certain nationalities is in effect.

 

Your opinion on the ban

Good! 145 35.02%
 
Get rid of this as fast as possible. 200 48.31%
 
Needs more exceptions 25 6.04%
 
List needs to be redone 44 10.63%
 
Total:414
Scoobes said:
Question for everyone that supports this.

What is this ban supposed to achieve?

Making muslims already living in USA easier to radicalize. Eventually some of them will commit a terrorist attack, which will lower the unemployment rate by a few hundred people. Then Trump is allowed to kick all muslims out of the country and gets to use his new, shiny bombs in a place unrelated to said attack, preferably one with petrol. See? All advantages.



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ratuscafoarterea said:

There are so many naive kids on this site, it’s just not funny. I see a lot of you asking why didn’t Trump ban muslims from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait. You must be living in a fairy-tale if you think Trump would be so dumb to do such a big mistake, on day-one. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait are essential for the Petro Dollar existence, if he fucks with the Petro Dollar the whole USA economy will collapse in a matter of days, and he will be to blame. The petro dollar has been part of USA’s economy for decades, you can’t change that in a matter of days.

The questions are often rhetorical. People know all that, it's the hypocrisy of the policy that's disgusting.  



Player2 said:
Scoobes said:
Question for everyone that supports this.

What is this ban supposed to achieve?

Making muslims already living in USA easier to radicalize. Eventually some of them will commit a terrorist attack, which will lower the unemployment rate by a few hundred people. Then Trump is allowed to kick all muslims out of the country and gets to use his new, shiny bombs in a place unrelated to said attack, preferably one with petrol. See? All advantages.

Scary thing is it wouldn't surprise me if what you said was true. 



Scoobes said:
Player2 said:

Making muslims already living in USA easier to radicalize. Eventually some of them will commit a terrorist attack, which will lower the unemployment rate by a few hundred people. Then Trump is allowed to kick all muslims out of the country and gets to use his new, shiny bombs in a place unrelated to said attack, preferably one with petrol. See? All advantages.

Scary thing is it wouldn't surprise me if what you said was true. 

Do not believe the MSM lies my cat friend.

Take a look at the below analysis, is this ban really as bad as the media is making it out to be? From The National Review: The hysterical rhetoric about President Trump’s executive order on refugees is out of control. Let’s slow down and take a look at the facts. CNN, doing its best Huffington Post impersonation, ran a headline declaring “Trump bans 134,000,000 from the U.S.” The Huffington Post, outdoing itself, just put the Statue of Liberty upside down on its front page. So, what did Trump do? Did he implement his promised Muslim ban? No, far from it. He backed down dramatically from his campaign promises and instead signed an executive order dominated mainly by moderate refugee restrictions and temporary provisions aimed directly at limiting immigration from jihadist conflict zones. Let’s analyze the key provisions, separate the fact from the hysteria, and introduce just a bit of historical perspective. First, the order temporarily halts refugee admissions for 120 days to improve the vetting process, then caps refugee admissions at 50,000 per year. Outrageous, right? Not so fast. Before 2016, when Obama dramatically ramped up refugee admissions, Trump’s 50,000 stands roughly in between a typical year of refugee admissions in George W. Bush’s two terms and a typical year in Obama’s two terms. The chart below, from the Migration Policy Institute, is instructive:

In 2002, the United States admitted only 27,131 refugees. It admitted fewer than 50,000 in 2003, 2006, and 2007. As for President Obama, he was slightly more generous than President Bush, but his refugee cap from 2013 to 2015 was a mere 70,000, and in 2011 and 2012 he admitted barely more than 50,000 refugees himself. The bottom line is that Trump is improving security screening and intends to admit refugees at close to the average rate of the 15 years before Obama’s dramatic expansion in 2016. Obama’s expansion was a departure from recent norms, not Trump’s contraction. Second, the order imposes a temporary, 90-day ban on people entering the U.S. from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. These are countries either torn apart by jihadist violence or under the control of hostile, jihadist governments. The ban is in place while the Department of Homeland Security determines the “information needed from any country to adjudicate any visa, admission, or other benefit under the INA (adjudications) in order to determine that the individual seeking the benefit is who the individual claims to be and is not a security or public-safety threat.” It could, however, be extended or expanded depending on whether countries are capable of providing the requested information. The ban, however, contains an important exception: “Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may, on a case-by-case basis, and when in the national interest, issue visas or other immigration benefits to nationals of countries for which visas and benefits are otherwise blocked.” In other words, the secretaries can make exceptions — a provision that would, one hopes, fully allow interpreters and other proven allies to enter the U.S. during the 90-day period. To the extent this ban applies to new immigrant and non-immigrant entry, this temporary halt (with exceptions) is wise. We know that terrorists are trying to infiltrate the ranks of refugees and other visitors. We know that immigrants from Somalia, for example, have launched jihadist attacks here at home and have sought to leave the U.S. to join ISIS.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

Scoobes said:
Question for everyone that supports this.

What is this ban supposed to achieve?

A false sense of security. Just like the wall.



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I really don't have much more to say about Trump. People need to see what their irresponsability leads to.

I won't be surprised if Trump gets assassinated one of these days. It's almost like he is asking for it. Racism is an ugly thing.



Puppyroach said:
When racism and bigotry gets to form policy, this is only the first steps. Soon you will likely see a registry and I wouldn't rule out internment camps in a few years time.

FDR setup internment camps for US CITIZENS who were forcibly removed from their homes during WWII, and yet he's still looked upon as one of the greatest presidents in American history, especially so by Democrats and the modern political left.

This would be like George W Bush relocating hundreds of thousands of Muslim-Americans into internment camps in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.  Imagine the shitstorm that would've created.  So far Trump hasn't done anything even remotely like that, and barring another 9/11 or Pearl Harbor style attack on the US mainland it's highly unlikely he ever would even consider doing it.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Scoobes said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

There are so many naive kids on this site, it’s just not funny. I see a lot of you asking why didn’t Trump ban muslims from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait. You must be living in a fairy-tale if you think Trump would be so dumb to do such a big mistake, on day-one. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait are essential for the Petro Dollar existence, if he fucks with the Petro Dollar the whole USA economy will collapse in a matter of days, and he will be to blame. The petro dollar has been part of USA’s economy for decades, you can’t change that in a matter of days.

The questions are often rhetorical. People know all that, it's the hypocrisy of the policy that's disgusting.  

The topic has no question, and no, you're wrong many people can't figure out how the Petro Dollar works and what it does to the USA .



Scoobes said:
Question for everyone that supports this.

What is this ban supposed to achieve?

You forget the fact that this is a temporary ban, you act just like the left-wing media. The guy made it clear on his electorate campaign that if he gets elected, he’s going to impose a temporary ban, until the Homeland Security finds the proper ways to vet Muslims, since (in he’s opinion) Homeland Security doesn’t have the proper tools. And that’s what he is doing.



ratuscafoarterea said:
Scoobes said:
Question for everyone that supports this.

What is this ban supposed to achieve?

You forget the fact that this is a temporary ban, you act just like the left-wing media. The guy made it clear on his electorate campaign that if he gets elected, he’s going to impose a temporary ban, until the Homeland Security finds the proper ways to vet Muslims, since (in he’s opinion) Homeland Security doesn’t have the proper tools. And that’s what he is doing.

 

Well, if this is the reason, it makes things much more worse.

In the last 15 years, there has been virtualy zero american deaths caused by refugies or people from those countries. All 911 terorists were from Saudi Arabia, that is not part of this ban.