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JRPGfan said:
Peh said:

Would you like to rephrase this one, because history tells a very different story.

Yes if you go back like 500-1000 years in time.

Things are differnt now.

Im talking about the present, not the past.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism                               

Contemporary American Christian terrorism can be motivated by a violent desire to implement a Reconstructionist or Dominionist ideology.[103] Dominion Theology insists that Christians are called by God to (re)build society on Christian values to subjugate the earth and establish dominion over all things, as a pre-requisite for the second coming of Christ.[104] Political violence motivated by dominion theology is a violent extension of the desire to impose a select version of Christianity on other Christians, as well as on non-Christians.

After 1981, members of groups such as the Army of God began attacking abortion clinics and doctors across the United States.[105][106][107] A number of terrorist attacks were attributed by Bruce Hoffman to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ.[108] A group called Concerned Christians was deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999; they believed that their deaths would "lead them to heaven".[109][110]

Eric Robert Rudolph carried out the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in 1996, as well as subsequent attacks on an abortion clinic and a lesbian nightclub. Michael Barkun, a professor at Syracuse University, considers Rudolph to likely fit the definition of a Christian terrorist. James A. Aho, a professor at Idaho State University, argues that religious considerations inspired Rudolph only in part.[111]

Terrorism scholar Aref M. Al-Khattar has listed The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord (CSA), Defensive Action, the Montana Freemen, and some "Christian militia" as groups that "can be placed under the category of far-right-wing terrorism" that "has a religious (Christian) component".[112]

In 1996 three men—Charles Barbee, Robert Berry and Jay Merelle—were charged with two bank robberies and bombings at the banks, a Spokane newspaper, and a Planned Parenthood office in Washington State. The men were anti-Semitic Christian Identity theorists who believed that God wanted them to carry out violent attacks and that such attacks would hasten the ascendancy of the Aryan race.[113]

In 2011, analyst Daryl Johnson of the United States Department of Homeland Security said that the Hutaree Christian militia movement possessed more weapons than the combined weapons holdings of all Islamic terror defendants charged in the US since the September 11 attacks.[114]

In 2015, Robert Doggart, a 63 year old mechanical engineer, was indicted for solicitation to commit a civil rights violation by intending to damage or destroy religious property after communicating that he intended to amass weapons to attack a Muslim enclave in Delaware County, New York.[115] Doggart, a member of several private militia groups, communicated to an FBI source in a phone call that he had an M4 carbine with "500 rounds of ammunition" that he intended to take to the Delaware County enclave, along with a handgun, molotov cocktails and a machete. The FBI source recorded him saying "if it gets down to the machete, we will cut them to shreds."[116] Doggart had previously travelled to a site in Dover, Tennessee described in chain emails as a "jihadist training camp", and found that the claims were wrong. Doggart pleaded guilty in an April plea bargain stating he had “willfully and knowingly sent a message in interstate commerce containing a true threat” to injure someone. The plea bargain was struck down by a judge because it did not contain enough facts to constitute a true threat.[117][118] Doggart stood as an independent candidate in Tennessee's 4th congressional district, losing with 6.4% of the vote.[119] None of the charges against him are terrorism related.[120][121][122][123]

The November 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, in which three were killed and nine injured, was described as "a form of terrorism" by Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper.[124] The gunman, Robert Lewis Dear, was described as a "delusional" man[125] who had written on a cannabis internet forum that "sinners" would "burn in hell" during the end times, and had also written about smoking marijuana and propositioned women for sex.[126][127] He had praised the Army of God, saying that attacks on abortion clinics are "God's work."[128] Deer's ex-wife said he had put glue on a lock of a Planned Parenthood clinic, and in court documents for their divorce she said "He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but does not follow the Bible in his actions. He says that as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end."

This is just a very tiny part, I could provide more if you like

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/03/the_10_worst_examples_of_christian_or_far_right_terrorism_partner/

Maybe the christians who yell at gay people are something you are ok with. Dunno what your standards are.



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HollyGamer said:
JRPGfan said:

Thats like saying all Muslims are like ISIS (killers murders rapers, terrorists).

Just so you know, even if the KKK was rooted in christianity (which I dont believe it is).

Your just wrong.

I am not saying KKK are the true Christian , i am saying the lack of understanding the religion are the cause of extremist exist in this world. Still Racism either good or bad is part of religion. 

This could help your point:

http://aattp.org/here-are-8-christian-terrorist-organizations-that-equal-isis/



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HollyGamer said:
JRPGfan said:

Yes but the "reason" for the crime, is why this thread says "muslim".

Becuase her religious views made her do the crime.

Otherwise the thread wouldnt say "muslim girl does x,z,y" ect.

I am not balming the thread, i blame the news headlines , racism is part of religion doctrine in christian because God are white so does the rest of humanity are lower then mongkeys "KKK". In Islam we see races as an equal, that's mean racism is part of religion responsibility as well. 

@ bolded: I think you need to remember that these headlines are from two different news agencies reported on two different continents with completely different contexts.

I also think you need to read both stories and compare them very carefully. Especially read carefully the second one about the twitter account, and click on the link 4th paragraph down to get the context. Seems like this girl was trying to get back at some racist kids in the school.

The group of kids calling themselves the KoolKidsKlan had been sending round a racist petition with anti-African American sentiment but no criminal charges were brought against them for this. (Headline - No Charge for Students Accused of passing Racist Petition) So the African-American girl creates the twitter account in the KoolKidsKlan name and posts a threatening tweet. And she gets charged. (Headline - Police Charge Student for Threat).

That story wasn't about Christianity. It wasn't about the KKK. It was about racism in a school in America, and perhaps it tacitly highlights the double standards with racism in the law, too.

Therefore it's not a valid example for your argument about media bias against Muslims.

Edit: @ underlined: You would do well to remember that in every religion, culture etc. you will find people who have developed warped or extreme interpretations of their doctrine. Comparing the moderate interpretation of one religion with the extreme version of another is not the best way to draw meaningful conclusions.



HollyGamer said:

I am not saying KKK are the true Christian , i am saying the lack of understanding the religion are the cause of extremist exist in this world. Still Racism either good or bad is part of religion. 

 

Actually understandin islam is exactly why extremists exist.  ISIS is the modern version of muhhameds idiology, everythign they do he did.

Tehy are following the truest most authentic version of islam.  



With all the shit going on in the world, why is this one relatively minor incident in Austria being reported in a UK newspaper that never reported on the original story?

Why are they only picking this up now?

Why don't they report on every incident where someone is wrongfully accused?

Anyone ever wonder if they (the Daily Mail) have an ulterior motive to reporting on these one-off incidents?



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Egelo said:
HollyGamer said:

I am not saying KKK are the true Christian , i am saying the lack of understanding the religion are the cause of extremist exist in this world. Still Racism either good or bad is part of religion. 

 

Actually understandin islam is exactly why extremists exist.  ISIS is the modern version of muhhameds idiology, everythign they do he did.

Tehy are following the truest most authentic version of islam.  

Have you read the whole of the Qu'ran then? Think a lot of Muslims would disagree with that assessment.



Scoobes said:
Egelo said:

 

Actually understandin islam is exactly why extremists exist.  ISIS is the modern version of muhhameds idiology, everythign they do he did.

Tehy are following the truest most authentic version of islam.  

Have you read the whole of the Qu'ran then? Think a lot of Muslims would disagree with that assessment.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

MAss murder rape slaves sexslaves, Al muhhameds work isis is following.  



Ka-pi96 said:
Scoobes said:
With all the shit going on in the world, why is this one relatively minor incident in Austria being reported in a UK newspaper that never reported on the original story?

Why are they only picking this up now?

Why don't they report on every incident where someone is wrongfully accused?

Anyone ever wonder if they (the Daily Mail) have an ulterior motive to reporting on these one-off incidents?

Because they're trying to generate the most possible newspaper sales/website clicks from their articles and stuff about muslims doing bad things is one of the easiest ways to do that.

Mulsims doing bad things is hard to ignore, they are responcible for near all terorism.

Then there is their cultural enrichemnt of certin place like Sweden France belgium Germany.

2014 german crime rates by nationality, now imagine this for 2016 after a flood of over a million undocumnted "who the fuck knows who they are" types.  



NightDragon83 said:

So that's how many incidents of Muslims allegedly being targeted because of their looks / attire that have turned out to be completely fake?

And the media throughout the west, especially here in America, keep running with the discredited story that Islamophobia and hate crimes agains Muslims are on the rise.

And how many incidents turn out to be completely true?

@ bolded

And the stats on hate crimes should be easy enough to check. Care to share them to back up your claim? Let me help:

Latest data (2015):

22.2% of 1354 incidents of hate crimes were anti-muslim making 301 incidents of anti-muslim hate crime

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2015/topic-pages/incidentsandoffenses_final

From 2014:

16.3% of 1092 incidents of hate crimes were anti-muslim making 178 incidents of anti-muslim hate crime

https://ucr.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2014/topic-pages/incidentsandoffenses_final

 

Just to make it crystal clear, by the FBI's own statistics and as up to date as we can get them, hate crime has gone up. So now you know you can stop perpetuating a lie. 



Egelo said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Because they're trying to generate the most possible newspaper sales/website clicks from their articles and stuff about muslims doing bad things is one of the easiest ways to do that.

Mulsims doing bad things is hard to ignore, they are responcible for near all terorism.

Then there is their cultural enrichemnt of certin place like Sweden France belgium Germany.

2014 german crime rates by nationality, now imagine this for 2016 after a flood of over a million undocumnted "who the fuck knows who they are" types.  

@ bolded

That's not true, at least not on US (up to 2005, not sure beyond) or European soil:

US

http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619

EU

https://thinkprogress.org/less-than-2-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-in-the-e-u-are-religiously-motivated-cec7d8ebedf6#.qk3hvt4ze

Just because it isn't reported, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.