Only if we could find something to kill this thread.

DonFerrari said:
Ok. That's on you, and doesn't seem to be anyone here agreeing with you. |
Just because the lemmings jump off the cliff means I am supposed to jump too? Sorry to disappoint you. I am an older person who grew up with news that was not filled with assumptions and opinions. News simply reported the facts. What passes as news today is nothing more than twisted truth and manufactured lies designed to get more views. Its sad.

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SonytendoAmiibo said:
Just because the lemmings jump off the cliff means I am supposed to jump too? Sorry to disappoint you. I am an older person who grew up with news that was not filled with assumptions and opinions. News simply reported the facts. What passes as news today is nothing more than twisted truth and manufactured lies designed to get more views. Its sad. |
Sorry to burst on you, but a lot of news have always been based on suspicion and suposition.
You have to separate what is a news piece, a report, an opinion piece, speculation, etc. If you only recognize one them that is also on you, not on others being lemmings or you being a special being that is older than all.

duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
SonytendoAmiibo said:
The point has been stated about 100 times now. Surprisingly you have not noticed it. Fact: Digital Foundry uses outdated info to substantiate their claims. Fact: Digital Foundry uses assumptions to substantiate their claims. Fact: Digital Foundry knowingly receives info that is protected by a legally binding NDA agreement. The information was not meant to be revealed to the public and is not yet finalized by the companies involved for public release. These are the things we are discussing here. But since you have made Digital Foundry an untouchable deity who can never do wrong, maybe you should just agree to disagree and leave it at that. |
They aren't making claims. How many times does it need to be pointed out that they aren't claiming to KNOW what's going on with these systems. They are speculating based on the information they have and their experience with gaming hardware.
They aren't giving out "misinformation" They're speculating on information they've recieved by people who, yes, are breaking NDAs (the worst crime in the world, apparently). Something they make abundantly clear in their content.
But no no, everyone else here is a lemming and a fool and you alone are the beacon of truth and reason. There's absolutely no way that you're just don't have any idea what you're talking about.
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DonFerrari said:
Sorry to burst on you, but a lot of news have always been based on suspicion and suposition. You have to separate what is a news piece, a report, an opinion piece, speculation, etc. If you only recognize one them that is also on you, not on others being lemmings or you being a special being that is older than all. |
Actually not. Only in the last few decades has there been a shift in perceptions of what news actually is, brought on by the huge amount of new media outlets vying for market share. This does not change the fact that Digital Foundry is one of these new media outlets, and how they are crossing the line with how they are misrepresenting the real facts. If you don't want to know what the real facts are, and are happy with outdated assumptions then that is on you.

Hey! They got SONY on my amiibo! Wait a minute. Two great gaming tastes that game great together!
Switch FC: SW-0398-8858-1969
DonFerrari said:
Sorry to burst on you, but a lot of news have always been based on suspicion and suposition. You have to separate what is a news piece, a report, an opinion piece, speculation, etc. If you only recognize one them that is also on you, not on others being lemmings or you being a special being that is older than all. |
You need to understand that when we go sometime back in time, there wasn't need for source criticism on a scale like there is today. Basically everything in public came from trusted news outlet, and because paper (distribution) is expensive, the quality of the content was held in high value. At least that's how it was in the west, while you usually could spot the propaganda machines.
SonytendoAmiibo is reading DF as a propaganda machine, because these were built on speculation, misinformation and one-sided view. Todays clickbaiting news are nothing more than speculation, misinformation and one sided view. In other words, you may think DF is good because it's not as bad as others, when SonytendoAmiibo is saying DF isn't as good as it should be.
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Eikä Japanisti.
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SonytendoAmiibo said:
Actually not. Only in the last few decades has there been a shift in perceptions of what news actually is, brought on by the huge amount of new media outlets vying for market share. This does not change the fact that Digital Foundry is one of these new media outlets, and how they are crossing the line with how they are misrepresenting the real facts. If you don't want to know what the real facts are, and are happy with outdated assumptions then that is on you. |
Funny enough tabloids date to the beggining of the 20 century... same for yellow and brow paper news... So it isn't a invention of today.
And DF you may call it however you like, yet most newspapers today are even less credible than DF.
And again they aren't misrepresenting facts. Unless you have real data and proof you are just wanting to cover the reality because it isn't what you want it to be.
I'm neither happy nor unhappy with the news regarding Scorpio or Switch as my main gaming machine is PS, and from what we know they made a lot of assumption as well and were mostly right.
bdbdbd said:
You need to understand that when we go sometime back in time, there wasn't need for source criticism on a scale like there is today. Basically everything in public came from trusted news outlet, and because paper (distribution) is expensive, the quality of the content was held in high value. At least that's how it was in the west, while you usually could spot the propaganda machines. SonytendoAmiibo is reading DF as a propaganda machine, because these were built on speculation, misinformation and one-sided view. Todays clickbaiting news are nothing more than speculation, misinformation and one sided view. In other words, you may think DF is good because it's not as bad as others, when SonytendoAmiibo is saying DF isn't as good as it should be. |
There wasn't a need or a way? Because as far as I know media have been filtering and manipulating what it's put (quality was better, but factuality not exactly) from at least before Cold War.
And you said yourself there were already propaganda machine, and you probably aknowledge brown and yellow papers.
He is reading it wrong because it doesn't convey the message he wants. You can see that the problem isn't the speculation but being negative. And unless you believe MS would reveal the info if queried and that DF refused to ask you can't claim they are being one sided neither they are misinforming since they are being clear about the source and what was informed and what is speculated. That is much more than what you'll get from most papers out there.
DF is good because they are professional in what they do and clear. And the OP isn't saying it isn't as good as it should be, he is saying they don't work out as he wants them too.
He is also probably against investigative journalism right? Because how dare those reporters get confidential documents, locked contracts, etc and build a case upon it.

duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
DonFerrari said:
There wasn't a need or a way? Because as far as I know media have been filtering and manipulating what it's put (quality was better, but factuality not exactly) from at least before Cold War. And you said yourself there were already propaganda machine, and you probably aknowledge brown and yellow papers. He is reading it wrong because it doesn't convey the message he wants. You can see that the problem isn't the speculation but being negative. And unless you believe MS would reveal the info if queried and that DF refused to ask you can't claim they are being one sided neither they are misinforming since they are being clear about the source and what was informed and what is speculated. That is much more than what you'll get from most papers out there. DF is good because they are professional in what they do and clear. And the OP isn't saying it isn't as good as it should be, he is saying they don't work out as he wants them too. He is also probably against investigative journalism right? Because how dare those reporters get confidential documents, locked contracts, etc and build a case upon it. |
That's what he's calling DF.
If you watched the video or read the story, you might notice that they're not really letting "facts" stand in the way of speculation.
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Eikä Japanisti.
Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.
Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.
bdbdbd said:
That's what he's calling DF. If you watched the video or read the story, you might notice that they're not really letting "facts" stand in the way of speculation. |
Would that be because there isn't much that MS have publically released?

duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363
Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994
Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."
DonFerrari said:
Would that be because there isn't much that MS have publically released? |
Yes it could, but they were speculating on rumours, and when a rumour contradicted their speculation, the rumour obviously was wrong.
Ei Kiinasti.
Eikä Japanisti.
Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.
Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.