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zorg1000 said:

No, they have made it clear that they can not effectively support two seperate hardware lines at once and this problem will continue to grow as their devices become more powerful and require larger development teams, times and costs.

Back in 2014, Iwata talked about this and said that going forward they want to create a single, unified platform similar to iOS or Android, where all or most software can be shared across various form factors.

Also, in the last few years they merged the handheld & consoles divisions of software & hardware so there is no longer a handheld software team and a console software team, there is now simply just a software team. Same for the hardware side of things.

I strongly believe going forward Switch will be the only hardware line they support and they will offer different form factors.

Nintendo Switch-tablet style, hybrid device

Switch Lite-smaller, cheaper, portable only device

Switch TV-cheaper, microconsole, TV only device

That's just an example of what we could see and would essentially be the equivelent of Nintendo's versions of iPad, iPod & Apple TV.

@Bold - Couldn't this mean that Nintendo could create a dedicated handheld that could be compatible with the Switch's software and vice-versa?

I can see where you're coming from and wouldn't rule it out. If Nintendo thinks that's the best model to with then so be it, but I don't think Nintendo is ruling out a dedicated handheld just yet.



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A_C_E said:
zorg1000 said:

No, they have made it clear that they can not effectively support two seperate hardware lines at once and this problem will continue to grow as their devices become more powerful and require larger development teams, times and costs.

Back in 2014, Iwata talked about this and said that going forward they want to create a single, unified platform similar to iOS or Android, where all or most software can be shared across various form factors.

Also, in the last few years they merged the handheld & consoles divisions of software & hardware so there is no longer a handheld software team and a console software team, there is now simply just a software team. Same for the hardware side of things.

I strongly believe going forward Switch will be the only hardware line they support and they will offer different form factors.

Nintendo Switch-tablet style, hybrid device

Switch Lite-smaller, cheaper, portable only device

Switch TV-cheaper, microconsole, TV only device

That's just an example of what we could see and would essentially be the equivelent of Nintendo's versions of iPad, iPod & Apple TV.

@Bold - Couldn't this mean that Nintendo could create a dedicated handheld that could be compatible with the Switch's software and vice-versa?

I can see where you're coming from and wouldn't rule it out. If Nintendo thinks that's the best model to with then so be it, but I don't think Nintendo is ruling out a dedicated handheld just yet.

how is that any different from what i said?



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zorg1000 said:

how is that any different from what i said?

You were saying that the Switch would replace the 3DS but I think Nintendo will release another handheld console to replace the 3DS.



A_C_E said:

Something tells me Nintendo isn't waiting for the Switch sales to 'pick-up'. We don't know how successful Switch will be and Nintendo isn't just going to cut their revenue sources from videogames in half. I could be completely wrong here but I believe Nintendo would rather have the Switch be successful as well as have a successful dedicated handheld throughout the 9th gen instead of just the Switch.

I don't know what kind of handheld would work as a Switch controller, it was just a stupid idea that randomly popped in my head...

Switch is apparently supposed to be released in different form factors. The point is where the money comes from during the transition. 3DS is already six years old, but because it's the 3DS that's making money for Nintendo, Nintendo needs to sell it and it's games until Switch is able tonreplace 3DS as Nintendo's money making machine. 

zorg1000 said:

No, they have made it clear that they can not effectively support two seperate hardware lines at once and this problem will continue to grow as their devices become more powerful and require larger development teams, times and costs.

Back in 2014, Iwata talked about this and said that going forward they want to create a single, unified platform similar to iOS or Android, where all or most software can be shared across various form factors.

Also, in the last few years they merged the handheld & consoles divisions of software & hardware so there is no longer a handheld software team and a console software team, there is now simply just a software team. Same for the hardware side of things.

I strongly believe going forward Switch will be the only hardware line they support and they will offer different form factors.

Nintendo Switch-tablet style, hybrid device

Switch Lite-smaller, cheaper, portable only device

Switch TV-cheaper, microconsole, TV only device

That's just an example of what we could see and would essentially be the equivelent of Nintendo's versions of iPad, iPod & Apple TV.

There are actually few problems with this: while it appears that this could be Nintendo's long term solution considering hardware, the console generations are needed to be able to sell more games and new hardware. Problem is that eventually the market is flooded with games nobody's making money with, think about the mobile games market.

Then again, Switch may be Nintendo's solution to finally cram Sony out of the market, and then return to normal cycle. If everyone ends up making games on Nintendo's systems, Nintendo does not have a problem with software output, so they could get back to two different devices.



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A_C_E said:
zorg1000 said:

how is that any different from what i said?

You were saying that the Switch would replace the 3DS but I think Nintendo will release another handheld console to replace the 3DS.

The only difference is in the way we are wording it.

I'm saying they will release a Switch revision that is portable only and software will be compatible with either device.

You are saying they will release a seperate handheld device and the software will be compatible with either device.

In order for all of the software to be fully compatible with one another than the hardware will have to be essentially the same unless they make two separate versions of the game so we are basically saying the same thing and the only difference will be in the way they brand this device.



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bdbdbd said:
A_C_E said:

Something tells me Nintendo isn't waiting for the Switch sales to 'pick-up'. We don't know how successful Switch will be and Nintendo isn't just going to cut their revenue sources from videogames in half. I could be completely wrong here but I believe Nintendo would rather have the Switch be successful as well as have a successful dedicated handheld throughout the 9th gen instead of just the Switch.

I don't know what kind of handheld would work as a Switch controller, it was just a stupid idea that randomly popped in my head...

Switch is apparently supposed to be released in different form factors. The point is where the money comes from during the transition. 3DS is already six years old, but because it's the 3DS that's making money for Nintendo, Nintendo needs to sell it and it's games until Switch is able tonreplace 3DS as Nintendo's money making machine. 

zorg1000 said:

No, they have made it clear that they can not effectively support two seperate hardware lines at once and this problem will continue to grow as their devices become more powerful and require larger development teams, times and costs.

Back in 2014, Iwata talked about this and said that going forward they want to create a single, unified platform similar to iOS or Android, where all or most software can be shared across various form factors.

Also, in the last few years they merged the handheld & consoles divisions of software & hardware so there is no longer a handheld software team and a console software team, there is now simply just a software team. Same for the hardware side of things.

I strongly believe going forward Switch will be the only hardware line they support and they will offer different form factors.

Nintendo Switch-tablet style, hybrid device

Switch Lite-smaller, cheaper, portable only device

Switch TV-cheaper, microconsole, TV only device

That's just an example of what we could see and would essentially be the equivelent of Nintendo's versions of iPad, iPod & Apple TV.

There are actually few problems with this: while it appears that this could be Nintendo's long term solution considering hardware, the console generations are needed to be able to sell more games and new hardware. Problem is that eventually the market is flooded with games nobody's making money with, think about the mobile games market.

Then again, Switch may be Nintendo's solution to finally cram Sony out of the market, and then return to normal cycle. If everyone ends up making games on Nintendo's systems, Nintendo does not have a problem with software output, so they could get back to two different devices.

I never said anything about them not releasing new generations of devices, just that with each generation there will be a single family of devices rather than seperate devices with their own seperate libraries.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

bdbdbd said:
ps4tw said:

How is having entirely different game mechanics "different skins"?

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2017/01/23/casual-gamers-wont-buy-the-nintendo-switch/#2b29ad5a76bc

http://mii-gamer.com/2013/06/19/the-wii-u-is-looking-to-be-hardcore-in-2014/

So Forbes idea of casual gamers is wrong, as well as that Nintendo site, but your notion is right? 

Or, how about this gem, Reggie stating flat-out that Nintendo does not do well at making games for core gamers:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/reggie-nintendo-not-good-at-core-games


And how did the editorials you linked to contradict my post? For the most part I agree with them. 

So, how the game mechanics are different? You are yet to tell me that.

You: "In the real world, games like CoD and FIFA are the prime examples of games that casual gamers buy"

Reggie: "The fact of the matter is we know we create great content for younger consumers, we know we've got great content for more casual players, and we want fantastic content for that more active player who loves Metroid or Zelda but maybe also wants something like a BioShock 2 to play as well, and we also recognize that we don't create that type of content ourselves(Bioshock 2). We're not good at it and it's not a key focus area."

Call of Duty is far closer to Bioshock 2 then any of those other categories, so your idea that CoD is for casual gamers/players is categorically wrong, or you think you know better than Reggie. 

What part of "The entire health system is different" don't you understand? 



The whole problem with Nintendo going through 9th gen with just a home console instead of a home console and a dedicated handheld is that Nintendo's handhelds sell very good amounts of hardware whereas their home consoles sales are far behind that of the handhelds. It would be awfully brave of Nintendo to simply combine the two into a home console where their sales aren't as strong and hope that their marketing doesn't become confusing or having the Switch be lead to failure like the Wii U. I guess we will see if Nintendo plans on launching a dedicated handheld in the next few years; or just does like Zorg said and comes out with a new and improved Switch handheld to effectively replace the 3DS. I could see it happening.



zorg1000 said:

The only difference is in the way we are wording it.

I'm saying they will release a Switch revision that is portable only and software will be compatible with either device.

You are saying they will release a seperate handheld device and the software will be compatible with either device.

In order for all of the software to be fully compatible with one another than the hardware will have to be essentially the same unless they make two separate versions of the game so we are basically saying the same thing and the only difference will be in the way they brand this device.

Agreed. But just to clear it up, I'm predicting that Nintendo is releasing a handheld (one that won't be compatible with Switch) to replace the 3DS. I'm just not ruling out what you are saying and wouldn't be surprised if you were right, which obviously depends on the Switch's success.



zorg1000 said:

I never said anything about them not releasing new generations of devices, just that with each generation there will be a single family of devices rather than seperate devices with their own seperate libraries.

Not necessarily. Dedicated devices would actually make them more money. I was meaning that the unified platform may not be their final solution, as it depends largely on the competition on the market. If there's no real competition to worry about, separate platforms would be more profitable, as lots of people would buy both devices.

ps4tw said:

You: "In the real world, games like CoD and FIFA are the prime examples of games that casual gamers buy"

Reggie: "The fact of the matter is we know we create great content for younger consumers, we know we've got great content for more casual players, and we want fantastic content for that more active player who loves Metroid or Zelda but maybe also wants something like a BioShock 2 to play as well, and we also recognize that we don't create that type of content ourselves(Bioshock 2). We're not good at it and it's not a key focus area."

Call of Duty is far closer to Bioshock 2 then any of those other categories, so your idea that CoD is for casual gamers/players is categorically wrong, or you think you know better than Reggie. 

What part of "The entire health system is different" don't you understand? 

But where's the contradiction? Where did Reggie say casual gamers didn't play CoD? They play CoD and not Bioshock because CoD is popular while Bioshock isn't. And even then, Reggie said nothing about casual gamers not playing Bioshock either.

So, what the health system is like and how does it change the gameplay? You're still not telling me.



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