Will the Switch be another WIi U? Yes, because Nintendo have crappy business plans, and have failed to grasp Western gaming.

Proof that they have crappy business plans and strategy? See my post above...

You are just repeating 80 million units of hardware sold on the hilariously childish notion that it sounds like a big number. Clearly it wasn't big enough otherwise Nintendo wouldn't have posted their first ever losses in the last 5 years. If you want more proof, look at the continued adjustments they made to the forecasted Wii U sales...

If your understanding of economics is as basic as "but they sold MILLIONS!", then this conversation can't continue as you don't realise that such a comment is unquestionably valueless.

No, there isn't a difference between poor financial choices and having an unappealing product, other than one results in investing in the other i.e. a poor financial choice is to invest in an unappealing product. Simple stuff this, but you're really bending reality to fit your argument. 

I'm not sure why you are combining handheld sales with console sales considering they are different markets. You don't combine 4x4 sales and supercar sales, so why are you combing these different markets? The PS2 sold over 50% more than the PS3, so the PS3 arguably failed in recapturing it's previous market. If you understand business plans (you clearly don't that much is obvious), you can see that Sony would not have betted on loosing such a large market chunk, hence why it would of been hit with huge loses (that and the failed CELL IBM adventure, but the success in expensive bluray diode manufacturing).

Keep saying Nintendo is fine and quoting arbitrary sales figures with no context, I'll be over here with the grownups talking about business plans, strategy and YoY returns.

Well, if you are interested in profits and all that, here are what I found on google, simple google search mind you:

Nintendo https://www.statista.com/statistics/216625/net-income-of-nintendo-since-2008/

Sony https://www.statista.com/statistics/279271/net-income-of-sony-since-2008/

As a whole company, Nintendo is doing just fine, Sony has been in way more trouble over the years, so I honestly don't know what you are on other than hating on Nintendo for no good reason lol. Opinions are fine and all but, I doubt you know shit about how to run giant companies like Sony or Nintendo, so if you want to call yourself a grownup, stop with the blind hate first, and we can go from there.

That remains to be seen, for all we know Switch will be the next 3DS or Wii or DS. It could be a smash hit or a huge failure or something in between, only time will tell.

Again, im repeating those numbers because you said there is no market for Nintendo products, which cant be true if Nintendo sells alot of hardware & software. Those two things are completely contradictory, you cant say a company is out of touch when it comes to software if they are  the biggest software provider in the industry. The fact that you cant grasp that is embarrassing.

Being appealing to consumers and being profitable are 100% different things.

Im combining handhelds & consoles for 2 reasons

1. The discussion is about Nintendo, you cant have a discussion about the appeal of a company's products and ignore the part of the market that resresents 80% of their hardware/software sales. Like I said earlier, using Wii U as proof that people dont want Nintendo devices/games is the equivalent of using Vita to prove people dont like Playstation.

2. Switch is a hybrid device and will most likely be a replacement not only to Wii U but also 3DS once its sales & software support dry up. If it replaces both than why would we compare it only to the one that sold poorly? Oh right, because it supports your agenda!!!

Actually, if you look at the market reaction to the Switch announcement, most investors believe it is more likely to be a Wii U than a Wii. The stock market doesn't work on the simple idea that "only time will tell". Looking at business strategy, plans and previous performance should give you an indication of what the future holds...

And I'm telling you that that market is declining as shown by the low sales of the Wii U and 3DS, and as proven by the quarterly losses Nintendo posted, that market clearly isn't enough to be sustainable. The fact you can't grasp the bigger picture other than "THEY SOLD MILLIONS" is embarrassing. 

You can't change financial choices suddenly into "being profitable" - they are not the same, as being profitable is the result of financial choices. 

You also can't combine the stats of two different markets together just because they are the markets a company deals in. Are you going to combine the Windows OS market and Xbox market together whenever you talk about Microsoft? No, of course not. 

It's yet to be seen if Switch will replace the 3DS, whereas it has been confirmed the Switch will replace the Wii U. You talk about waiting until "time will tell", but want to jump to the presumption that the Switch will replace the 3DS....So are you allowed to make predictions or not?

Lmao wtf? Make your mind up. Does the casual market exist or not? You can't say it's "little more than bs marketing terms" yet two sentences later admit that "Sure, Wii did well with the "casual market"". 

Will the Switch attract more gamers? No, because Nintendo still does not see what gaming has become and now is desperately playing catch-up, shown by them trying to push Skyrim on the Switch, a game that is over 5 years old. No one will care about 1,2 Switch or Arms (why would they?), and only the Nintendo crew will bother buying it. The Wii U will have an extremely weak library because it will have very few quality third party titles thanks to the non-x86 architecture it has. 

So you didn't notice the different health systems, HUDs, game mechanics etc in the videos? If you think they looked the same, you may as well claim that all FPS' are the same, because there's someone holding a gun...

Mario Kart games are barely any different. I remember using blue shells and banana skins from "?" boxes while power sliding around a corner as Mario on Rainbow Road 20 years ago. Why can I still do just that? Whereas you know what I can't do in the latest CoD? Grab a health pack while fighting off Germans with my Garand. And I certainly haven't been able to shoot soldiers in zero-G in previous CoD's while deploying EMP grenades.

What I'm saying, smart guy, is that Wii did well with what the market would interpret as "casual" but they did well with more than just those types, and those terms are largely just bs buzzwords created by the industry and don't mean much - as they are ambiguous, ever changing, and open to interpretation. At the end of the day, it boils down to attracting consumers or not. The labels don't matter. And I see a lot more value and appeal in Switch than I ever saw in Wii U, and I don't think I'm alone. Between the library, which already looks stronger than Wii U, the portability, and versatility, I don't see a scenario in which this console doesn't at least sell moderately more than the Wii U. The strength of a mainline Pokemon title alone almost ensures decent sales. A certain contingent of people (particularly the forum dwellers) seem to think the gaming world revolves around their tastes, and AAA western third party blockbuster type games that these people constantly eat up. It doesn't..

I love also that so many random forum dwellers think they know so much more than a multibillion dollar corporation. And I'm sure once Switch sells strongly these people are going to get creative yet again and come up with another way to discredit it, just like so many were proven wrong when they were absolutely convinced the Wii was going to be a horrible failure.. 

In all seriousness, I doubt you were even born 20 years ago. 

If we apply your Mario Kart standards to FPS', then yes, they're all the same.

What about the changes? How they make the games any different? Could you elaborate.

Ya because investors reactions are proof of how successful a product will be, your arguments are getting more and more rediculous.

Yes, Wii U & 3DS are a decline from previous devices and they posted a couple years of losses, however that means nothing going forward. PS3 being a decline from PS2 and Sony losing billions from it was proof that PS4 was going to do poorly, right?

The main goal of business is to be profitable so yes good business decisions and being profitable go hand in hand.

So it makes more sense to exclude 80% of their gaming business when talking about their place in the gaming market? ok buddy, keep telling yourself that.

Its pretty clear what they are doing. In 2014 they spoke about how supporting two seperate hardware lines is getting too difficult and going forward they plan to create a unified platform. They also merged the console & handheld divisions for both hardware & software. 2.5 years later they announced a device with the functionality of a handheld & a console. The only reason they are not positioning it as a 3DS successor right now is because 3DS is still selling and has a decent 2017 lineup.

Its just like "DS is a 3rd pillar and not a replacement to GBA", that was true for about 1.5 years but as GBA sales and software slowed down and DS sales and software increased all of a sudden DS was a successor to GBA.

You're still contradicting yourself! If the market labels a selection of customers as "casual", then that is what that selection of the market is called. You can't say the term is "just bs buzzwords created by the industry [that doesn't] mean much" when you acknowledge it actually refers to an entire market segment!! Just how exactly is it ambiguous and ever changing? Are you serious in saying "labels don't matter"? I'm guessing you don't know what a market segment is?

Also considering how many "forum dwellers" predicted the failure of the Wii U, maybe that highlights how out-of-touch Nintendo is with the modern gaming industry.

Er, what? Did you not read anything I wrote?

Let me repeat myself (with added emphasis):

I remember using blue shells and banana skins from "?" boxes while power sliding around a corner as Mario on Rainbow Road 20 years ago.Why can I still do EXACTLY just that?

Whereas you know what I can't do in the latest CoD? Grab a health pack while fighting off Germans with my Garand and I certainly haven't been able to shoot soldiers in zero-G in previous CoD's while deploying EMP grenades.