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Forums - Nintendo - Switch Docking Station for 90€. Why?

barneystinson69 on 15 January 2017



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Knitemare on 15 January 2017
JEMC said:
Slimebeast said:

Could you explain more? Where does it say that it costs 90 Dollars?

Plus what does it contain? Does it contain a GPU? What about it is it that makes it run games at 1080p instead of 720p in mobile mode? I still don't understand this.

Perhaps our own hardware expert JEMC can be of help here.

I'm far, very far from being a hardware expert.

Peh has already answered where the 90 Dollars price comes from and the reason it runs the games at 1080p vs 720p while in handheld mode is not because the dock has extra hardware (as far as we know), but because the Switch will run at higher clocks when docked as it won't rely on the battery alone.

So its basically a DLC ON DISC that they will charge for in order for us to take advantage.

I mean, if there is no more tech, just a chip that activates the overclock... Then they're no different from Capcom's RE's on Disc DLC...



                          

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Conina on 15 January 2017
Knitemare said:
JEMC said:

I'm far, very far from being a hardware expert.

Peh has already answered where the 90 Dollars price comes from and the reason it runs the games at 1080p vs 720p while in handheld mode is not because the dock has extra hardware (as far as we know), but because the Switch will run at higher clocks when docked as it won't rely on the battery alone.

So its basically a DLC ON DISC that they will charge for in order for us to take advantage.

I mean, if there is no more tech, just a chip that activates the overclock... Then they're no different from Capcom's RE's on Disc DLC...

It is not a DLC on disc. The Switch hardware works at full capacity in docking mode and downclocks in handheld mode, so you can play Zelda "unplugged" for 3 hours instead of only 1 hour.

The PSP was also downclocked from 333 MHz to 222 MHz at first and locked the highest brightness setting (when unplugged) to offer a better battery life.



irstupid on 15 January 2017
Hiku said:
GribbleGrunger said:
If it ups the resolution then clearly there's some tech in there. Whether it's worth $90 is another question.

Couldn't it just be that the Switch is allowed to run at a higher clockspeed while docked because battery isn't a concern?

This, and just flat out screens.

My PC has 3 monitors hooked up to it. They are all 1080p monitors, but I could also hook up a 720p screen or a 4k screen. My pc could handle either. 

The tablets screen is what is limiting the switch in mobile mode. Doesn't matter if the switch is 10x the power of the PS4, the screen is only a 720p screen. It thus can't produce visuals with resolutions higher than that in mobile mode. When docked though, it works just like any desktop. It can now go up to resolutions higher because teh screens it is connected to are of higher resolution. 



Conina on 15 January 2017
irstupid said:

The tablets screen is what is limiting the switch in mobile mode. Doesn't matter if the switch is 10x the power of the PS4, the screen is only a 720p screen. It thus can't produce visuals with resolutions higher than that in mobile mode.

Well, it could render in 1080p or 1440p in that case and we would get fantastic antialiasing by that downsampling.

But that's theoretical, not gonna happen.



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irstupid on 15 January 2017
Conina said:
irstupid said:

The tablets screen is what is limiting the switch in mobile mode. Doesn't matter if the switch is 10x the power of the PS4, the screen is only a 720p screen. It thus can't produce visuals with resolutions higher than that in mobile mode.

Well, it could render in 1080p or 1440p in that case and we would get fantastic antialiasing by that downsampling.

But that's theoretical, not gonna happen.

Why woudl you render in a higher resolution than can output. That would just be pointless waste of processing power. Just render in the native 720p. 



Conina on 15 January 2017
irstupid said:
Conina said:

Well, it could render in 1080p or 1440p in that case and we would get fantastic antialiasing by that downsampling.

But that's theoretical, not gonna happen.

Why woudl you render in a higher resolution than can output. That would just be pointless waste of processing power. Just render in the native 720p. 

Please inform yourself about downsampling/supersampling.



Knitemare on 15 January 2017
Conina said:
Knitemare said:

So its basically a DLC ON DISC that they will charge for in order for us to take advantage.

I mean, if there is no more tech, just a chip that activates the overclock... Then they're no different from Capcom's RE's on Disc DLC...

It is not a DLC on disc. The Switch hardware works at full capacity in docking mode and downclocks in handheld mode, so you can play Zelda "unplugged" for 3 hours instead of only 1 hour.

The PSP was also downclocked from 333 MHz to 222 MHz at first and locked the highest brightness setting (when unplugged) to offer a better battery life.

I get more the idea that THERE IS some kind of GPU, or GPU optimizer in the Dock. For its own sake, I hope Nintendo aint charging $90 just because.



                          

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miz1q2w3e on 15 January 2017

Because they can.

For the record, I don't like it.



Dulfite on 15 January 2017
Conina said:
Dulfite said:

Um, this thing makes its predecessors, The Wii U and particuparly the 3ds, look like a joke. The screen quality is considerably better than any touchscreen Nintendo has made before, it can do, apparently, 1080p on the screen itself according to Nintendo a couple nights ago (contrary to what Digital Foundry said). It has a LOT more internal storage than the 3ds and has a LOT more room for future proofing with up to 2 TB micro sd cards room (MORE than probably triple what anyone would need on a Nintendo device). The interface is much improved, it only takes seconds to boot games up (the powerful ones at that), I would imagine the internet capabilities will be a lot better and I'd think with paid online that servers won't get shut down shortly after launch like Devil's Third. It has like smallest motion control devices I've ever seen (light, convenient) and from what I've heard they are about as 1:1 as you can get right now, unlike the wii motes or even wii motion plus which were massive by comparison and waggle toys more than anything.

Please look at their own website and stop spreading misinformation. Thank you!

I never intended to spread misinformation. I read the quote from one of the Zelda big wigs that said both playstyles for Switch Zelda would be 1080p, where as the wii u would be 720. Maybe that person mispoke or there was a translation error? Anyway, I apologize for unintentionally missleading anyone.