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I'm saying it will cost US$ 200 for quite some time. It seems that I'm correct.



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Captain_Yuri said:

It is very much about semantics because a mini-PC is a sub-category of PC and since your argument is about why PC hasn't taken over the consoles, it is about public perception of the form factor of PCs first and then other things second. Just because PC's can be found in smaller form factor doesn't mean the public sees the smaller form factor version when thinking about PCs hence why the form factor argument stands. And people will see the Switch as a tablet because like PCs that has had an established form factor when the casuals think about them as being mid-tower desktops, the Switch will be seen as a tablet for the very same reason.

Well you havn't exactly proven me wrong with that. The only thing you seemed to have tried to do with your arguments is try to prove that what I'd call impluse buy range devices should sell higher than ones that aren't and the ones that are priced higher should sell considerably worse which certainly isn't my argument. Sure the PSP sold well but that doesn't mean that I am wrong in my impluse buy range since that pricing is meant to help the buyer choose more easily which can be argued that it did considering the DS and etc. Of course, it doesn't mean that being within that price range will make sales happen automatically since sales always comes from a combination of things. All impluse buy pricing does is help the buyer choose more easily.

But it's not such a fixed variable. Because as an example, apart from Sega, there weren't exactly many consoles which came close to the sales of Nintendo consoles back then. And then Sony came and far surpassed Nintendo consoles with the ps1 and then the ps2 and etc which increased the size. So I wouldn't call Vita sales is perfectly normal cause the market isn't a fixed variable and just because it didn't happen pre-DS shouldn't be the case. Cause Sony came with the PSP which sold really well. Since the PSP was such a success, the Vita should have sold a lot more than 15 million even with the so called "abnormal" market during the DS era.

Your argument literally makes no sense in any context especially the last part of the first paragraph, you basically just said form factor doesn't matter but it matters in your argument, that is a summary of your first paragraph. Right now you've attempted to use sematics to move goal posts but unfortunately no matter how far you move them the point still stands, tablets are established by their application and use, nothing about the Switch so far even resembles that the only similarity is the screen which is even used different to any tablet. At most Switch will be seen as a portable with a tablet like design, even the posters going up in shops highlight it more as a console as does the unveil and the demo on the Tonight Show.

You were proven wrong a while back mate, Wii and PSP shot down your sentiment earliar, you've yet to disprove this as this 2 platforms proved that price is well with in impulse buy range.

It's not a fixed variable but it hovers with in a certain range for example the NES and MS had a combined haul of around 75m and their successor gen the SNES/MD had a combined haul of 80m well with in range of each other. The PSP's success is not attributed to it's early drive but other factors like for one the platform became a haven for piracy and emulation and effectively launched the homebrew scene for portable devices (FFVII was running on PCs long before it was on PSN), in the long run PSP was a disaster because after 2 years Sony and developers didn't really support the system would have dropped off like all other contenders in the market before it, it was saved in Japan by Monster Hunter and was carried single handedly by the homebrew scene in the west. This is why it ended up doing so well but as a platform on its own it was very poor it would be like the Wii U selling 80m because the's an exploit everyone wants to take advatage of, Vita fixed the exploit that the homebrew scene where using so all of a sudden a large selling factor in the west was removed while in Japan key developers jumped ship to 3DS. Vita is likely what PSP would have attained had it not had what saved it, the sales are normal because the total portable sales this gen (likely end at 85m total) match the non abnormal gens pre-DS in fact they're going to surpass the GBA gen total, in comparison the market is still pretty normal.



IMO a 250$ price tag is a perfect place for Nintendo to start. 300 would have made it on-par with Sony/MS. 200 and it might have been waaay to underpowered and corners most deffinatly had to be cut. With 250, they can easily play the wate and see approach. Cut it by 50$ in a year if sales arent good enough, and be the first one to get there, or if it selles well, wait for 2-3 years, launch a redesing, sell that at 250 and lower the old model to 200.

At the end of the day its a hybrid system, so a 250$ will IMO still be acceptable for the average consumer.



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torok said:
I'm saying it will cost US$ 200 for quite some time. It seems that I'm correct.

How does it seem you are correct?



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$ 250 is a good price. Probably it will come with a game, Nintendo always does that (even if its a silly one like those AR-games on 3ds)
Most consoles launch price is from $ 300 (no games included) and above, so I really don´t understand why people think it´s expensive.



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Even if the rumor turns out false, I'd still put my money on $249. The Switch looks very cool for what it is, but I'd have a hard time seeing it compete against what are likely to be much more powerful systems at the same price point. 



zorg1000 said:
 

How does it seem you are correct?

If the rumour is correct, it will pretty much be cheaper on the US. US$ 200.

Edit: It could cost 200 without the dock and 250 with it. Or end up launching with a docked version for 250 and get a dockless model afterwards.



torok said:
zorg1000 said:

How does it seem you are correct?

If the rumour is correct, it will pretty much be cheaper on the US. US$ 200.

Edit: It could cost 200 without the dock and 250 with it. Or end up launching with a docked version for 250 and get a dockless model afterwards.

It is likely to be cheaper in Japan than the US, given the current yen situation (it's at 117 to the dollar right now). For example, the PS4 is currently about 29, 900 yen in Japan, and is $299 in the US. So 25,000 yen would most likely be $250. 



torok said:
zorg1000 said:

How does it seem you are correct?

If the rumour is correct, it will pretty much be cheaper on the US. US$ 200.

Edit: It could cost 200 without the dock and 250 with it. Or end up launching with a docked version for 250 and get a dockless model afterwards.

Not necessarily, 3DS had a launch of ¥25,000 & $250.

Most rumors have pointed at a $250 base price.



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Wyrdness said:
Captain_Yuri said:

It is very much about semantics because a mini-PC is a sub-category of PC and since your argument is about why PC hasn't taken over the consoles, it is about public perception of the form factor of PCs first and then other things second. Just because PC's can be found in smaller form factor doesn't mean the public sees the smaller form factor version when thinking about PCs hence why the form factor argument stands. And people will see the Switch as a tablet because like PCs that has had an established form factor when the casuals think about them as being mid-tower desktops, the Switch will be seen as a tablet for the very same reason.

Well you havn't exactly proven me wrong with that. The only thing you seemed to have tried to do with your arguments is try to prove that what I'd call impluse buy range devices should sell higher than ones that aren't and the ones that are priced higher should sell considerably worse which certainly isn't my argument. Sure the PSP sold well but that doesn't mean that I am wrong in my impluse buy range since that pricing is meant to help the buyer choose more easily which can be argued that it did considering the DS and etc. Of course, it doesn't mean that being within that price range will make sales happen automatically since sales always comes from a combination of things. All impluse buy pricing does is help the buyer choose more easily.

But it's not such a fixed variable. Because as an example, apart from Sega, there weren't exactly many consoles which came close to the sales of Nintendo consoles back then. And then Sony came and far surpassed Nintendo consoles with the ps1 and then the ps2 and etc which increased the size. So I wouldn't call Vita sales is perfectly normal cause the market isn't a fixed variable and just because it didn't happen pre-DS shouldn't be the case. Cause Sony came with the PSP which sold really well. Since the PSP was such a success, the Vita should have sold a lot more than 15 million even with the so called "abnormal" market during the DS era.

Your argument literally makes no sense in any context especially the last part of the first paragraph, you basically just said form factor doesn't matter but it matters in your argument, that is a summary of your first paragraph. Right now you've attempted to use sematics to move goal posts but unfortunately no matter how far you move them the point still stands, tablets are established by their application and use, nothing about the Switch so far even resembles that the only similarity is the screen which is even used different to any tablet. At most Switch will be seen as a portable with a tablet like design, even the posters going up in shops highlight it more as a console as does the unveil and the demo on the Tonight Show.

You were proven wrong a while back mate, Wii and PSP shot down your sentiment earliar, you've yet to disprove this as this 2 platforms proved that price is well with in impulse buy range.

It's not a fixed variable but it hovers with in a certain range for example the NES and MS had a combined haul of around 75m and their successor gen the SNES/MD had a combined haul of 80m well with in range of each other. The PSP's success is not attributed to it's early drive but other factors like for one the platform became a haven for piracy and emulation and effectively launched the homebrew scene for portable devices (FFVII was running on PCs long before it was on PSN), in the long run PSP was a disaster because after 2 years Sony and developers didn't really support the system would have dropped off like all other contenders in the market before it, it was saved in Japan by Monster Hunter and was carried single handedly by the homebrew scene in the west. This is why it ended up doing so well but as a platform on its own it was very poor it would be like the Wii U selling 80m because the's an exploit everyone wants to take advatage of, Vita fixed the exploit that the homebrew scene where using so all of a sudden a large selling factor in the west was removed while in Japan key developers jumped ship to 3DS. Vita is likely what PSP would have attained had it not had what saved it, the sales are normal because the total portable sales this gen (likely end at 85m total) match the non abnormal gens pre-DS in fact they're going to surpass the GBA gen total, in comparison the market is still pretty normal.

Well it shouldn't be that hard to understand. All my paragraph said is that in order for PCs to replace consoles, the public has to think about PCs as the same form factor as consoles which they do not because PCs in general are seen as desktop mid-towers. Just because there is a mini-PC form factor doesn't mean the public thinks of it as such when thinking about PCs in general. If they were to think about mini-PCs everytime someone mentions PCs, then you would have a pretty valid arguement but they don't. And how is it moving goal posts? You are the one trying to argue that just because mini-PC form factor exists, it means that PCs should have been able to replace consoles which is incorrect because you continue to ignore what the casuals think about the form factor when PC gets mentioned which is a mid-tower desktop. And that is also what you are ignoring when it comes to the Switch which looks like a 6 inch tablet and the casuals will view it as such. But hey, at least we went from a being seen as a hybrid console to "At most Switch will be seen as a portable with a tablet like design" which is progress.

How was I proven wrong with that? Just because a device is out of my impluse buy range doesn't mean they won't sell...

You said it hovers around a certain range but why did you only go up to SNES? Ps1 and ps2 both increased that range by a lot. Similarly, the PSP/DS should have had a similar affect. Sure, the sales wouldn't be 80 + 150 million again with the Vita/3ds cause of the abnormality, but it certainly should have been more than 15 million for the Vita. And the whole "it sold well cause of piracy and the Vita didn't cause it didn't have piracy" is speculation at best.



                  

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