RolStoppable said:
This guy must be a troll too: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8531129 |
That is trolling, yes.
RolStoppable said:
This guy must be a troll too: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8531129 |
That is trolling, yes.
Lawlight said:
It only stifles rational thought if you let facts bother you. If me comparing sales of system x and system y showing that system y is underperforming bothers you or is "vitriolic" per you opinion then that should not be my problem. |
You must be talking about Kerotan's posts, because I have never seen you use actual facts while discussing sales.
A typical example of your posts:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8504102
No analysis. No rationale. Just "85 million is too high," despite there being 3 counterexamples, or 30% of Nintendo's entire console library. And you had no reason to say this: Obviously, if you were posting 65 million in a prediction thread, you would think 85 million is a high estimate. But instead of discussing the actual factors that you expected to contribute to the Switch finishing at 65M, you decided to illogically attack the entirety of Nintendo just to annoy people.
For the record, Kerotan wasn't banned for the mere act of comparing the Switch versus the 3DS + Wii U. He was banned for spouting nonsense like "It's a shame that the Switch won't pass the 3DS and Wii U combined. It really puts everything into perspective!" while at the same time celebrating the PS4 being slightly ahead of the PS3 at the same point in its lifecycle. He intentionally uses double standards to try and bait people into arguing with him.
You two have a lot in common.
RolStoppable said:
No, I said that the mod team came up with a special rule to mitigate the damage Kerotan can do. That rule failed to do its job and only created new problems, so it was ditched.
Maybe CGI-Quality will be removed from the mod team because of his trolling and then I could take over. I'd make it a priority that nobody would quote your posts to say something mean to you. |
I actually like CGI but mods protecting mods - not completely unexpected, is it?
Bristow9091 said:
It's not so much the facts that bother people, but the way they're presented... yes, you can compare X and Y, and say Y is underperforming, but the way you say it can make a world of difference.
Except it isn't trolling. I'm not siding with anyone, but what he said was actually correct in this case, and recent acitivites and posts in this thread have been discussed in mod chat, and as far as I'm aware none of us actually considered that trolling. From a quick observation of the last few pages of this thread It seems like whenever someone replies to you with something you don't like, you cry "troll", even when it legitimately isn't trolling. This is just my take on it, although I'm sure the other mods would agree. |
LOL
Happy with this kind of response?
RolStoppable said:
No, I said that the mod team came up with a special rule to mitigate the damage Kerotan can do. That rule failed to do its job and only created new problems, so it was ditched.
Maybe CGI-Quality will be removed from the mod team because of his trolling and then I could take over. I'd make it a priority that nobody would quote your posts to say something mean to you. |
You keep trying to make it seem like "you and the mods" came to a decision until situations like that are pointed out.
You should never be a mod, anyone who rubs you the wrong way will probably get banned with using some obscure rule or interpentation of them.

StarDoor said:
You must be talking about Kerotan's posts, because I have never seen you use actual facts while discussing sales. A typical example of your posts: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8504102 No analysis. No rationale. Just "85 million is too high," despite there being 3 counterexamples, or 30% of Nintendo's entire console library. And you had no reason to say this: Obviously, if you were posting 65 million in a prediction thread, you would think 85 million is a high estimate. But instead of discussing the actual factors that you expected to contribute to the Switch finishing at 65M, you decided to illogically attack the entirety of Nintendo just to annoy people. For the record, Kerotan wasn't banned for the mere act of comparing the Switch versus the 3DS + Wii U. He was banned for spouting nonsense like "It's a shame that the Switch won't pass the 3DS and Wii U combined. It really puts everything into perspective!" while at the same time celebrating the PS4 being slightly ahead of the PS3 at the same point in its lifecycle. He intentionally uses double standards to try and bait people into arguing with him. You two have a lot in common. |
You're right - I got lazy with the 2nd sentence in that post and should have explained why 85M is too high for a Nintendo system (for the record, the only non-outlier system that has crossed the 85M is the GB if you include the GB Colour sales numbers to it. The DS and the Wii are outliers for obvious reasons).
As for Kerotan's post that you used as an example, there is no double standard. The PS4 is outpacing the PS3 sales, the Switch isn't outpacing the 3DS + WiiU, systems of which it is the successor. There would have been a double standard if the PS4 wasn't outpacing the PS3's sales and Kerotan was touting it as a success.
Bristow9091 said:
I mean I don't know what your goal is here, and a little effort goes a long way y'know... seems like you put less effort into posts you don't agree with or if things aren't going the way you'd hoped, which is something else I've noticed from your posts in this thread. Basically you've been presented with a logical reply and don't know how to respond, so resort to cheap short posts, which achieves nothing but does back up my observation. |
I'm making a point by posting exactly like the posters you said weren't trolling.
If I'm presented with a logical post, I will respond logically. In this case you said those people weren't trolling. Do you feel the same with my LOL reponse?
Lawlight said:
2) You're right - I got lazy with the 2nd sentence in that post and should have explained why 85M is too high for a Nintendo system (for the record, the only non-outlier system that has crossed the 85M is the GB if you include the GB Colour sales numbers to it. The DS and the Wii are outliers for obvious reasons).
1) As for Kerotan's post that you used as an example, there is no double standard. The PS4 is outpacing the PS3 sales, the Switch isn't outpacing the 3DS + WiiU, systems of which it is the successor. There would have been a double standard if the PS4 wasn't outpacing the PS3's sales and Kerotan was touting it as a success. |
1) It is a double standard, because the bar is set much lower for the PS4 (11 million, when the best-selling Sony system is at 23 million) than it is for the Switch (27+ million when the best-selling Nintendo system is 33 million). Additionally, adding together userbases is misleading because of the overlap in console ownership, espeically in a saturated market like Japan.
2) I'm answering your paragraphs in reverse order because, taken together, it is also a double standard. You say that 85 million is too high because GB, DS, and Wii are the only single consoles to pass that mark. But how does that mesh with your previous standard of combining 3DS + Wii U sales when setting a goal for the Switch? Clearly, 85 million is easily attainable if you think that it's sensible to combine 3DS and Wii U sales. From 1997 to 2012, Nintendo was shipping over 20 million handhelds + home consoles per year. Even if you think the DS and Wii were outliers, Nintendo was easily shipping 100 million units of hardware over a 5-year period during both the 5th and 6th generations.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=230847
Since the Switch is their only platform going forward, all it needs is 5 years of typical Nintendo sales to pass 85 million.
You can't have it both ways. It is either 1) ludicrous to combine 3DS and Wii U sales, or 2) 85 million is a completely reasonable target for a Nintendo hybrid system.
| StarDoor said: 2) I'm answering your paragraphs in reverse order because, taken together, it is also a double standard. You say that 85 million is too high because GB, DS, and Wii are the only single consoles to pass that mark. But how does that mesh with your previous standard of combining 3DS + Wii U sales when setting a goal for the Switch? Clearly, 85 million is easily attainable if you think that it's sensible to combine 3DS and Wii U sales. |
This is a good point. Lawlight, you can't say that the goal for the Switch should be combining the 13 mil Wii U sales and 65 million 3DS sales and then go on to say 85 million is wayyyy too much for a single Nintendo console.
You essentially are making a hugely hypocritical double standard, just so that Nintendo can be caught in a lose - lose scenario. You're saying "The Switch should have the install base of the Wii U and 3DS combined - AND IF IT DOESN'T OUTPACE BOTH AT THE SAME TIME IT'S FAILING!" while then saying "There's no way this will pass 85 million for a single Nintendo platform, that's too high!"
It's creating a double standard just so you can say two negative things about Nintendo, even when they're completely contradictory. Either 78 mil should be the minimum(and thus 85 mil is likely), or the Switch shouldn't be compared to two seperate systems. You can't say that a sales figure is impossible because it's a single platform and those sales are unprecedented, then use a sales figure of two seperate consoles that is almost exactly the same to give the product high pacing expectations
Bristow9091 said:
Okay let's break this up into two parts; Firstly I don't see what point you're making considering I personally don't find your LOL post trolling, as you only made it because you didn't agree with my responses, it seems to be your go-to reply whenever someone posts something you don't like... so y'know, yeah. Secondly you actually were presented with a logical post, I was neither trolling nor griefing you with my reply, in fact one of my responses could be useful in the future, with the system X and Y examples... like I said, you can compare X and Y, but the way you present your comparison can make a big difference. You're right, I did say people weren't trolling, and the reason behind that being because they weren't. I've already mentioned that you cry "troll" whenever someone replies to you with something you don't like, but clearly you were too busy working on your masterpiece of a reply to read it, either that or you simply ignored it. |
I heard your point about system x and y - that's fine. There's nothing to respond to that as I agree in principle. The first part is what's perplexing. Well, what's there to like when someone replies to your post with LOL? But I hope you keep that in mind next time I post LOL in response to a post. LOL is a perfectly fine response to a post - mod-sanctioned.