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kirby007 on 27 April 2020
cycycychris said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

Completely disagree, One thing is having a thread about spoiler talk the day the game released other is having a spoiler thread months before a game release because a malicious cunt leaked the game. Resetera does not have a thread like the One you mention now for these shit leaks. 

Would love to see What other mods think about this.

While I get where your coming from, I generally think that when a leak like this happens, there is no way to avoid the discussion. People want to discuss what was leaked and many won't. So I agree with that we should have spoiler thread and a thread that avoids the spoilers. Spoiler thread would need to be of course clearly marked.

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kirby007 on 03 May 2020

I would like to clarify my previous statement was regarding the old mods, i first need to evaluate how this bunch of fresh meat does and if its a step above the last few rounds of lamb chops



 "I think people should define the word crap" - Kirby007

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Pemalite on 03 May 2020
kirby007 said:
I would like to clarify my previous statement was regarding the old mods, i first need to evaluate how this bunch of fresh meat does and if its a step above the last few rounds of lamb chops

Why does your opinion even matter? We aren't here to bend to your will and do things your way, thus if you think we actually care about your judgement... Think again.

We are here to do a job and make the site a better place, not play political games with individual users like yourself.



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JWeinCom on 03 May 2020
padib said:

Team, I want to say thank you for your hard work, and I am also grateful for your discerning selection on the new mods. I wanted to bounce ideas on the highly interesting FFVII thread about Nintendo banning square employees. I generally liked the discussion in the thread and the playful banter, so I have no intention to point fingers on anyone. But I still have a question about a certain thing I noticed still. My question is about how certain people on vgchartz are suggested to have heavy bias or bad intentions. Most of us are on here to discuss ideas which are very interesting to us, but some of us are called conspiracy theorists (Rol) or or heavily biased (me). As much as I have been building a tough skin over time and learning to keep cool, I was curious as to what the mod team thought about people labeling other people certain things. One example I reported in a part article on the Series X was by a user who mentioned that I was constantly and voluntarily posting non-factual information. I PM'd Hiku about it who reassured me that it was being looked at but I was hoping that maybe more initiative was taken to maybe tell people in private that it was not really cool to do that. I know for myself that I make an effort to write things that can help inform other users in general, and the labels only push me forward in that direction, but I still feel the need to ask you all about it.

Thank you for your input, and know that, while at first I was concerned about the mod team since 2017, I am actually very impressed by your ability to manage the forum so I for one am grateful for the voluntary work.

In general, I would say I'm against any ad-hominem attacks.  That is trying to argue by attacking the user instead of an idea.  I.e. your argument is wrong because you're stupid/biased/etc.

I skimmed through the FF7 thread, and I honestly don't see that in regards to your posts.  The closest I think is someone saying "you must be young if you don't remember..." or something like that, but I don't read that as implying you're biased.

If there's something in that thread I missed (it's 20 pages long so it's not like I read every particular word) that you think did cross a line, you can PM me with a link to the exact page it's on.  

As for people accusing you of posting non-factual information... well that depends... were you posting non-factual information?  If that's true then I think it's entirely justified for someone to call you out on it.  If they added a personal attack on top of that (i.e. you posted untrue things because you're biased) then that may be a problem.  Again though, I'd kind of need to see what exactly is being said, so if you want to PM me exactly what you mean, then feel free.



kirby007 on 04 May 2020
Pemalite said:
kirby007 said:
I would like to clarify my previous statement was regarding the old mods, i first need to evaluate how this bunch of fresh meat does and if its a step above the last few rounds of lamb chops

Why does your opinion even matter? We aren't here to bend to your will and do things your way, thus if you think we actually care about your judgement... Think again.

We are here to do a job and make the site a better place, not play political games with individual users like yourself.

who pissed in your porridge, i didnt claim my opinion matters i'll give it regardless of that.



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Carl on 04 May 2020
kirby007 said:

who pissed in your porridge, i didnt claim my opinion matters i'll give it regardless of that.

20,000 posts over a 13 year span and a member of site staff.

You matter, kirby.



                            

sethnintendo on 04 May 2020

I know depends on situation but I was wondering how many bans one can get before permanent boot. I'm at 7 (not counting requested bans) so I'm probably on thin ice. Usually most my bans are from me being an asshole. Been trying to more friendly and actually haven't been modded in almost half a year.  I'm sure I'm on thin ice.



JWeinCom on 04 May 2020
padib said:
JWeinCom said:

In general, I would say I'm against any ad-hominem attacks.  That is trying to argue by attacking the user instead of an idea.  I.e. your argument is wrong because you're stupid/biased/etc.

I skimmed through the FF7 thread, and I honestly don't see that in regards to your posts.  The closest I think is someone saying "you must be young if you don't remember..." or something like that, but I don't read that as implying you're biased.

If there's something in that thread I missed (it's 20 pages long so it's not like I read every particular word) that you think did cross a line, you can PM me with a link to the exact page it's on.  

As for people accusing you of posting non-factual information... well that depends... were you posting non-factual information?  If that's true then I think it's entirely justified for someone to call you out on it.  If they added a personal attack on top of that (i.e. you posted untrue things because you're biased) then that may be a problem.  Again though, I'd kind of need to see what exactly is being said, so if you want to PM me exactly what you mean, then feel free.

It's difficult to talk about it because I don't want to raise any red flags and I want to get a sense of how the team thought about the concept in general. In the FFVII thread (thanks for skimming through), there are a few posts that highlight what I mean, I'll PM you so I don't derail my question you can let the team know what I mean if they want to pitch in.

As for the person who accused me of posting non-factual information, it was a baseless attack and I was not posting non-factual information. However, I think that as you grow in the position, you'll understand that back-seat moderating is garbage because it isn't constructive. Like mentioned earlier, people need to remember to report if they have an issue instead of accusing someone when it's not their role, because their judgement of a user is most likely false. A team of mods leaning over a question is much more reliable than one individual and his or her impulses. I'll write to you in PM, and I invite anyone mod, including you, to pitch in if they want to.

Well... I definitely did see some posts that were kind of borderline there, but not ones that were directed at you.  I don't know if that's what you mean.

I'm not going to talk about that particular thread, but I think in general there are some borderline comments that may be moderated if someone reported them, but not if they go unreported.  

I can understand why that might seem off to some people (after all breaking the rules is breaking the rules) but there is a risk of overmoderating, and I don't think people want to feel like mods are looking over their shoulders at every post just itching to drop the ban hammer.  So... looking the other way on some really minor infractions may be better to the community as a whole, particularly when nobody in the thread seems to object.  Also, it's sometimes hard to know when some users are being playful or legit insulting each other.

So, just bear that in mind.  I'm not saying report everyone that rubs you the wrong way, but if you feel that there's a legitimate issue bring it to our attention (which you're doing).  It might be one of those gray area cases (for me at least, don't want to speak for anyone else) where if we don't know that it's bothering someone we may choose to look away.



sethnintendo on 04 May 2020

Alright got it. Only solution is for me to become a better person. This will take some time.



sethnintendo on 04 May 2020
RolStoppable said:
sethnintendo said:

I know depends on situation but I was wondering how many bans one can get before permanent boot. I'm at 7 (not counting requested bans) so I'm probably on thin ice. Usually most my bans are from me being an asshole. Been trying to more friendly and actually haven't been modded in almost half a year.  I'm sure I'm on thin ice.

You aren't on thin ice until you get explicitly threatened with a permanent ban.

I'm sure you've never been threatened but you did lose mod protection didn't you?