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kirby007 on 05 December 2018

Lovers tiff?



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Pemalite on 05 December 2018
padib said:

I personally feel that the direction CGI is taking in resolving conflicts through coaching and leading by example is the only true solution to this. I believe that's true because if you eliminate one user due to that attitude, another may arise, and the reason these cases exist is due to insecurity on all sides, so the problem is never solved, only patched.

I believe that moderation and rules can only go so far in fixing the problem, because in my opinion the problem is much deeper and is related to the general morale of the community.

I actually agree. Work with users rather than against. - It does mean that more time needs to be spent by each individual mod for a decent outcome though, but that's what we get paid for right?

With that said, moderation's are there as a tool so that users can take a "time out" and reflect upon their actions and thus hopefully learn from their mistakes and be more constructive individuals going forward.

I feel like the blame shifting that is going on... Like chalking Rols actions as Ricks fault isn't making things better, you are responsible for your own actions at the end of the day.

Carl said:

I feel like the mod teams response to the rise in far right/ alt right rhetoric being spread over the forums has been lackluster at best. New moderators were brought onto the team to combat problems in political threads, while political threads have seen nothing but problems this year and have poisoned the well. One of your moderators sincerely believes that Adolf Hitler was a far left socialist.

This has been extremely problematic for the growth of the community in general.

As a centrist, those on the right-wing political spectrum should also be allowed to view their perspectives... Because in the real world, populations tend to be constructed from those on the left and right political spectrum's.
If we only had political threads that you agreed with, the forums would get very droll, very quickly, wouldn't you agree?

With that said, anything that is inherently toxic should be dealt with, but outlandish assertions shouldn't just be removed if the poster themselves have a decent  hypothesis and some evidence to backup their claims in their initial post, then you can go forth and do what a forum is meant for. Have a debate/discussion.

Carl said:

It's becoming more and more apparent that the current mod team is overly sensitive to criticism and has been quick to dismiss any real concerns. Certain moderator replies in this thread highlight that, as well as your team deciding to shut the thread down until Miguel returned and opened it back up. Certain discussions from Discord would further prove this point and we both know exactly what gets said in mod chat.

The community is key to any forum. When the mod team isn't really listening to concerns from the community, the community will not last. Toxicity drives people away.

We aren't overly sensitive to criticisms.
Some criticisms we have taken on board, some can't as they were outlandish or inaccurate to begin with.

RolStoppable said:

The mod presence in sales threads must be higher, especially during the holiday season. Active participation to show that the mod team is watching and ready to contain the damage before it's spreading like wildfire. There cannot be the excuse that the mod team is sitting idle and waits until reports notify them about a sales thread, especially because this is a sales website and therefore its moderators should have a natural interest in sales threads.

We don't sit Idle. - Mods are appointed to their positions for various reasons. - One aspect they look at is the threads said mods tend to participate in. - For me that is PC/Tech/Political threads. - I don't have the experience or desire to participate in console sales threads... Because frankly such discussions are boring to me as an individual.
Other mods will spend more time in Sales/Xbox/Playstation/Nintendo threads. - And that's perfectly fine.

Could we do better? Shit yes, there is always room for improvement so your criticisms is certainly not falling on deaf ears.

RolStoppable said:

In his first two months quickrick had already built his strong reputation, so January NPD ended in a big mess and an ensuing big discussion in this very thread.

You and Quickrick just need to leave each other alone and ignore each other.

RolStoppable said:

The lacking mod presence in the NPD threads played a key role and that shouldn't repeat.

Are you implying that it's the mods fault for you being banned?



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

Pemalite on 05 December 2018
RolStoppable said:
Pemalite said: 

You and Quickrick just need to leave each other alone and ignore each other.

Are you implying that it's the mods fault for you being banned?

I am not implying anything. I am plainly saying how it is. Here is what I said in its full context:

<SNIP>

What you infered from the final sentence of my post has nothing to do with what I said.

Great. - As you well know... Statements can be interpreted in many different ways, so was just making sure. - Otherwise you wouldn't have learned anything from your time away from the forum.



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Farsala on 05 December 2018
quickrick said:
Carl said:

If you want to compare Rol's moderation history with somebodies, you simply have to look at the reasons they're usually in trouble.

The vast majority of Rol's "trouble" comes from him attacking people who are usually, for the most part, being problematic themselves. He has the odd moderation for trolling, though those moderations usually don't come down to malicious intent and they're more jokes that can be misinterpreted. He's rarely if ever been disruptive to discussion or other communities.

The majority of trouble surrounding quickrick (and previously Kerotan) came from problems caused with other communities, and the fact that they're unwilling to admit when they were wrong. Pushing things to a point where they earn a bad name for themselves and any real negativity posted by them is seen as an attack.

Being that obtuse and dense, to the point where other people get into trouble for repeatedly responding and calling out bullshit, means that those posters are the cause of the problem. A backwards ruleset and backwards moderation has protected these kinds of users for years while punishing those who call out the trolls. This has been a problem through every mod team and every rule set.

The answer isn't to just swipe it under the carpet and hope the stink disappears with time. The answer is to cut out the problem at the source, just like I decided to do with Kerotan. Ethomaz can be another example. Lawlight another.

Stop hiding behind a broken, dated ruleset.

Give me the reign if you're too afraid to do what needs to be done.

calling something BS Because you don't agree or like the opinion is ridiculous, i was banned by you for a ridiculous reason because i said if the ps3 was priced right, it would have easily won the gen. we argued about it bit and got banned, rol last argument was nintendo PR numbers are not the real numbers, got upset and threw a temper tantrum. now it's also funny that only problems you, and rol dealt with are sony fans, never had a nintendo fan be a problem, obviously showing your bias  to popular opinion or a company because i would say the majority are nintendo fans here, and i have seen a few nintendo fans be dense, but nobody attacks them cause it's popular opinion, even when they are factually wrong. if they are gonna let you be a mod again might as well just let rol be a mod since you are gonna do the work him.

@bold It happens plenty, many obnoxious Nintendo fans. Guess what happened to them? They got permabanned or quit. Some were swift, but others got way too many chances and took years. Xbox fans as well.

It actually feels like this site goes in phases of most annoying fanbase.



quickrick on 05 December 2018
Farsala said:
quickrick said:

calling something BS Because you don't agree or like the opinion is ridiculous, i was banned by you for a ridiculous reason because i said if the ps3 was priced right, it would have easily won the gen. we argued about it bit and got banned, rol last argument was nintendo PR numbers are not the real numbers, got upset and threw a temper tantrum. now it's also funny that only problems you, and rol dealt with are sony fans, never had a nintendo fan be a problem, obviously showing your bias  to popular opinion or a company because i would say the majority are nintendo fans here, and i have seen a few nintendo fans be dense, but nobody attacks them cause it's popular opinion, even when they are factually wrong. if they are gonna let you be a mod again might as well just let rol be a mod since you are gonna do the work him.

@bold It happens plenty, many obnoxious Nintendo fans. Guess what happened to them? They got permabanned or quit. Some were swift, but others got way too many chances and took years. Xbox fans as well.

It actually feels like this site goes in phases of most annoying fanbase.

I know there were but the only ones that bothers him  and he mentions are Sony fans . I'm sure other mods dealt with those just look look my bans almost all to be blunt are from Nintendo fans that are mods.



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zorg1000 on 05 December 2018
quickrick said:
Farsala said:

@bold It happens plenty, many obnoxious Nintendo fans. Guess what happened to them? They got permabanned or quit. Some were swift, but others got way too many chances and took years. Xbox fans as well.

It actually feels like this site goes in phases of most annoying fanbase.

I know there were but the only ones that bothers him  and he mentions are Sony fans . I'm sure other mods dealt with those just look look my bans almost all to be blunt are from Nintendo fans that are mods.

Perfect example of someone not learning from their mistakes and playing the victim card.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

quickrick on 05 December 2018
zorg1000 said:
quickrick said:

I know there were but the only ones that bothers him  and he mentions are Sony fans . I'm sure other mods dealt with those just look look my bans almost all to be blunt are from Nintendo fans that are mods.

Perfect example of someone not learning from their mistakes and playing the victim card.

Some of those clearly weren't fair as you saw in my reply to Carl maybe you say because of my history. I mean on this site it's always been ok to make bets and gloat now all of a sudden its bannable.



kirby007 on 05 December 2018
quickrick said:
zorg1000 said:

Perfect example of someone not learning from their mistakes and playing the victim card.

Some of those clearly weren't fair as you saw in my reply to Carl maybe you say because of my history. I mean on this site it's always been ok to make bets and gloat now all of a sudden its bannable.

Gloating in the thread the bet was made yes, not going ot in every nintendo thread you can find



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curl-6 on 05 December 2018

quickrick said: 

my bans almost all to be blunt are from Nintendo fans that are mods.

With all due respect, if you don't want to be banned, stop obsessively downplaying Nintendo and the Switch at every opportunity.

If it's that hard for you to resist the temptation to spread constant negativity about a system/company you don't like and intentionally stir the pot to get a rise out of people, just stay out of Nintendo threads and stick to Sony threads. Try talking more about the systems/games you like instead of bashing those you don't. 

That way you won't get banned, you'll probably enjoy your time here more, and everyone will be better off.

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Moren on 05 December 2018
quickrick said:
zorg1000 said:

Perfect example of someone not learning from their mistakes and playing the victim card.

Some of those clearly weren't fair as you saw in my reply to Carl maybe you say because of my history. I mean on this site it's always been ok to make bets and gloat now all of a sudden its bannable.

I'll be blunt here.

Out of your last 100? 200? 500? posts:

They've been solely and exclusively posts downplaying Nintendo's performance and filling sales threads with those.

So perhaps that is the trend you need to see.