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Carl2291 said:
RolStoppable said:

Was Kerotan finger-pointing before tbone responded to him?

I suppose you could say he was, looking back at it. I should have slapped him on the wrist also. However...

RolStoppable said: 

The above conversation also shows parallels to tbone's most recent ban. In tbone's case, Kerotan was the first one to point fingers, but only tbone faced consequences from the mod team. In the above conversation, you were the first one to say that someone lacks common sense, but I was the only one who faced consequences.

tbone faced consequences because he didn't stop when I asked him to. He had an out, he didn't take it. He wasn't necessarily banned for the pointing fingers, he was banned for ignoring my warning when I told him to stop it.

I wasn't finger pointing at anybody specifically because I didn't mention any names. There are a ton of people who fit into the category I was talking about so to highlight tbone as the target is farfetched at best. 

 

Its funny he mentions tbone getting triggered easily. Given my posting style and the amount of bans I have you could argue I get triggered just as easily. So will everyone who mentions a group of people who I may be part of get banned? 

 

Obviously not and it's a ridiculous suggestion from Rol. I understand he's not happy he's friend got banned while I rightfully didn't but it's making a mockery of this thread at this stage. 

 

I've been the bigger man and stayed out of this tit for tat he's pushing against you, but at this stage I had to give some input. It's just farcical.

 

I'd also like if this thread could stop being the official Kerotan thread and return back to its topic. Any chance the Kerotan talk can stop? Surely it's best held in pm's. Just a suggestion. 



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RolStoppable said:
RolStoppable said:

I don't think you can talk about using common sense when it was only a month ago that you predicted 30-40m units lifetime for Switch.

Your understanding of common sense is what led people to say that Nintendo needs to cater to AAA third parties if they want to have a successful console again. Since Switch wasn't such a console, they predicted failure for it. But using actual common sense and looking at sales data, the chance for success for Nintendo was multiple times higher by rejecting to suck up to AAA third parties. Therefore it was logical to predict success for Switch despite the lack of AAA third party games.

Now your common sense leads you specifically to suggest that Nintendo needs a Switch SKU with more built-in storage, otherwise AAA third parties may not want to develop for the system. Why would that even be a problem when Nintendo doesn't need AAA third party games to be successful? If AAA third parties can't develop for Switch as it is, then too bad for them as it means no money for them. Switch will continue to be successful with or without them, so common sense is that Nintendo does not need to offer multiple SKUs.

 

RolStoppable said:

It's all tied together to explain the situation.

Your point is that Nintendo should launch a new SKU with more storage. Two questions here:

1. How many GB do you consider sufficient?
2. The current Switch costs $300. How much will your proposed SKU cost?

 

RolStoppable said:

There's no need for an excuse to take a dig at you for your lack of common sense. It's an observable truth.

1. The first two realistic options for increased storage are a 64GB model and a 128GB model. That's pretty much the industry standard for how storage capacities evolve. While 64GB should be enough for virtually any third party, we'll go with 128GB in order to leave not the smallest bit of doubt that any third party game can fulfill your conditions.

2. You say that an SKU with more storage will have to cost more than the current SKU. That is a sensible statement. We take that 128GB model from above and assign a $350 retail price to it. That's the lower end of your suggested price range, so you should consider this fair.

So $350 for a Switch SKU with 128GB. That's what Nintendo should do.

User moderated for multiple posts - Bristow9091

 

RolStoppable said:

Where are the insults in my posts? I made the claims that you lack common sense and that it is an observable truth. I can understand that that offends you, but my claims are true and there's enough evidence in this thread alone. I demonstrated your lack of common sense by sticking to the points.

 

RolStoppable said:

We can forward the exchange to the mod team and get a verdict whether you lack common sense or not, and whose behavior is out of line here.

Additionally, you have to remember your own post:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8560550

Aeolus451 said:

All I was saying that 32 gb of storage wasn't enough hd space for playing even 7th gen 3rd party games without needing to buy a micro SD card to even play a game and that nintendo needs to offer SKUs with better storage then some of them started to get defensive over common sense saying they don't better SKUs. 

You mocked people for allegedly lacking common sense.

 

Aeolus451 said:

What did I write right after I said you misrepresented  my position? Yes, you did. You want to ban people because you don't like 'em. 

It's exactly what happened but you refuse to see it. You have a habit of treating your opinion as fact by default while acting like anyone disagree with you is an idiot. You were rightfully banned for taking digs over and over at me rather than argue against my points. I didn't use ad hominem as a crunch. i merely described your posts and some of your personality traits. You just act in a very arrogant manner and that clouds your judgement. I wasn't banned for flaming, right?  If you want to keep talking about the actual topic at hand, I'll debate with ya. 

There, I dug it all up, taken from this thread. The entire conversation between us can be read above. You mocked others for lacking common sense, then I told you that you aren't someone to talk about common sense. I addressed all of your points before you decided to abandon the argument and make it all personal. The reason why you abandoned the argument is clear to me: You realized how deeply flawed your reasoning was. I granted your argument the most generous variables, but still... who in their right mind would pay $350 for a 128GB Switch when a 32GB Switch costs $300 and can be expanded to 160GB with a 132GB micro SD card for $40-50 with prices bound to fall further once micro SD cards with higher capacities are introduced to the market.

The above conversation proves that you don't have the thick skin that you want others to have, hence why bringing all of the above quotes into this thread has relevance to the topic at hand. If you had thick skin, someone telling you that you lack common sense wouldn't bother you much. If you had thick skin, someone laying out why your argument is flawed would make you say something along the lines of "You know, you are right. My argument was nonsensical." instead of lashing out for being proven wrong.

The above conversation also shows parallels to tbone's most recent ban. In tbone's case, Kerotan was the first one to point fingers, but only tbone faced consequences from the mod team. In the above conversation, you were the first one to say that someone lacks common sense, but I was the only one who faced consequences.

I fairly certain that this is old news and you were moderated for it. I wasn't. Our spat over this is in this thread. You looked just like you did with that crow thread.  If you feel triggered enough to keep bringing it up, by all means, keep at it. I'm not gonna keep responding to you if you want to keep acting like this. It's a waste of my time. 



Kerotan said:

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Obviously not and it's a ridiculous suggestion from Rol. I understand he's not happy he's friend got banned while I rightfully didn't but it's making a mockery of this thread at this stage. 

 

I've been the bigger man and stayed out of this tit for tat he's pushing against you, but at this stage I had to give some input. It's just farcical.

 

I'd also like if this thread could stop being the official Kerotan thread and return back to its topic. Any chance the Kerotan talk can stop? Surely it's best held in pm's. Just a suggestion. 

Funny enough Rol aint mad because a friend got banned. Hell in the past in Scolded me saying some of the bans i got was indeed my fault and were deserving so. You dont kno Rol as much as you think.

 

With that said you would think you understand why yoh believe its the "kerotan thread". Your hidden agenda(s) are already exposed so pretending to be victim is pretty pathetic at this stage. Your biased knows no bounds. (Best ex as of now is the Amazon and COMG thread)



RolStoppable said:
tbone51 said:

Funny enough Rol aint mad because a friend got banned. Hell in the past in Scolded me saying some of the bans i got was indeed my fault and were deserving so. You dont kno Rol as much as you think.

 

With that said you would think you understand why yoh believe its the "kerotan thread". Your hidden agenda(s) are already exposed so pretending to be victim is pretty pathetic at this stage. Your biased knows no bounds. (Best ex as of now is the Amazon and COMG thread)

This is exactly why you get into trouble so often. You can't let it go.

Of course Kerotan's post was deliberately designed to be bait. He was disappointed that he wasn't in the spotlight, so he pretended that he was and said that people should stop making it all about him; it's a transparent effort to get people to talk about him, because people tend to react to blatant falsities. Hence why in the same post he also wrote a gross misinterpretation of what I said.

Yeap a big problem of mine..... I kinda notice after i pressed the green button. 

He wont reply to your last post so i wouldn't wait on it :P



Miguel_Zorro said:
RolStoppable said:

This is exactly why you get into trouble so often. You can't let it go.

Of course Kerotan's post was deliberately designed to be bait. He was disappointed that he wasn't in the spotlight, so he pretended that he was and said that people should stop making it all about him; it's a transparent effort to get people to talk about him, because people tend to react to blatant falsities. Hence why in the same post he also wrote a gross misinterpretation of what I said.

 

tbone51 said:

Funny enough Rol aint mad because a friend got banned. Hell in the past in Scolded me saying some of the bans i got was indeed my fault and were deserving so. You dont kno Rol as much as you think.

 

With that said you would think you understand why yoh believe its the "kerotan thread". Your hidden agenda(s) are already exposed so pretending to be victim is pretty pathetic at this stage. Your biased knows no bounds. (Best ex as of now is the Amazon and COMG thread)

I agree with Rol on both counts.  Kerotan, you don't get to complain about it being the "official Kerotan thread" when you intentionally come into the thread and try to attract attention.  I've given you advice multiple times about this, but you refuse to take it. Keep it up and you'll simply be banned from posting in the thread.

TBone, you simply need to exercise some self control.  You can complain all you want about other people and attempt to blame them, but you are responsible for your own actions.  You demonstrate weakness when you respond like this.  You're one of the most easily bothered people on this site.

Well cant disagree with this (about me), as harsh as that is ill try to hold out more if possible. 



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RolStoppable said:
Aeolus451 said:

I fairly certain that this is old news and you were moderated for it. I wasn't. Our spat over this is in this thread. You looked just like you did with that crow thread.  If you feel triggered enough to keep bringing it up, by all means, keep at it. I'm not gonna keep responding to you if you want to keep acting like this. It's a waste of my time. 

I didn't bring it up to discuss who should have been moderated, I brought it up to demonstrate your hypocrisy.

Aeolus451 said:

I'm expecting grown people to act like adults and not lose their shit with they hear opinions they don't like. This is the internet,not your living room. I don't report or go to mods unless someone starts resorting to ad hominem. Its not like I'm flipping my shit, when someone posts numbers I don't like or when they're annoying. Also, I'm not advocating for the banning of the people I don't like because I don't like them, I tolerate and live with them.

You brought it up because it still stings for you. That's it. It has no relevance in the topic at hand. I didn't use ad hominem. I characterized a few people's arguments negatively and I didn't go after them as a person. I wasn't banned for flaming was I?  If you want to complain that I was insinuating stuff with you or dancing on a line, I wasn't doing anything that you don't normally do when you get in a spat with someone but the thing is I don't use any ad hominem or dance around on that line in general. You have no leg to stand on with this.  

I tolerate people I don't like and I still interact with most of them in a civil way. I don't push for permabans. I post in a variety of threads including the political ones and I manage not to flip my shit or get triggered in those conversations. I don't react so poorly that I get banned because I was mad over an opinion that I don't like and went on a "oh fuck it" rant or flaming run. I don't go on report sprees. If I had thin skin, I wouldn't do any of that or seek out debates with people. Oh the great Rol obviously don't know what he's talking about. 



RolStoppable said:
RolStoppable said:

I don't think you can talk about using common sense when it was only a month ago that you predicted 30-40m units lifetime for Switch.

Your understanding of common sense is what led people to say that Nintendo needs to cater to AAA third parties if they want to have a successful console again. Since Switch wasn't such a console, they predicted failure for it. But using actual common sense and looking at sales data, the chance for success for Nintendo was multiple times higher by rejecting to suck up to AAA third parties. Therefore it was logical to predict success for Switch despite the lack of AAA third party games.

Now your common sense leads you specifically to suggest that Nintendo needs a Switch SKU with more built-in storage, otherwise AAA third parties may not want to develop for the system. Why would that even be a problem when Nintendo doesn't need AAA third party games to be successful? If AAA third parties can't develop for Switch as it is, then too bad for them as it means no money for them. Switch will continue to be successful with or without them, so common sense is that Nintendo does not need to offer multiple SKUs.

 

RolStoppable said:

It's all tied together to explain the situation.

Your point is that Nintendo should launch a new SKU with more storage. Two questions here:

1. How many GB do you consider sufficient?
2. The current Switch costs $300. How much will your proposed SKU cost?

 

RolStoppable said:

There's no need for an excuse to take a dig at you for your lack of common sense. It's an observable truth.

1. The first two realistic options for increased storage are a 64GB model and a 128GB model. That's pretty much the industry standard for how storage capacities evolve. While 64GB should be enough for virtually any third party, we'll go with 128GB in order to leave not the smallest bit of doubt that any third party game can fulfill your conditions.

2. You say that an SKU with more storage will have to cost more than the current SKU. That is a sensible statement. We take that 128GB model from above and assign a $350 retail price to it. That's the lower end of your suggested price range, so you should consider this fair.

So $350 for a Switch SKU with 128GB. That's what Nintendo should do.

User moderated for multiple posts - Bristow9091

 

RolStoppable said:

Where are the insults in my posts? I made the claims that you lack common sense and that it is an observable truth. I can understand that that offends you, but my claims are true and there's enough evidence in this thread alone. I demonstrated your lack of common sense by sticking to the points.

 

RolStoppable said:

We can forward the exchange to the mod team and get a verdict whether you lack common sense or not, and whose behavior is out of line here.

Additionally, you have to remember your own post:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8560550

Aeolus451 said:

All I was saying that 32 gb of storage wasn't enough hd space for playing even 7th gen 3rd party games without needing to buy a micro SD card to even play a game and that nintendo needs to offer SKUs with better storage then some of them started to get defensive over common sense saying they don't better SKUs. 

You mocked people for allegedly lacking common sense.

 

Aeolus451 said:

What did I write right after I said you misrepresented  my position? Yes, you did. You want to ban people because you don't like 'em. 

It's exactly what happened but you refuse to see it. You have a habit of treating your opinion as fact by default while acting like anyone disagree with you is an idiot. You were rightfully banned for taking digs over and over at me rather than argue against my points. I didn't use ad hominem as a crunch. i merely described your posts and some of your personality traits. You just act in a very arrogant manner and that clouds your judgement. I wasn't banned for flaming, right?  If you want to keep talking about the actual topic at hand, I'll debate with ya. 

There, I dug it all up, taken from this thread. The entire conversation between us can be read above. You mocked others for lacking common sense, then I told you that you aren't someone to talk about common sense. I addressed all of your points before you decided to abandon the argument and make it all personal. The reason why you abandoned the argument is clear to me: You realized how deeply flawed your reasoning was. I granted your argument the most generous variables, but still... who in their right mind would pay $350 for a 128GB Switch when a 32GB Switch costs $300 and can be expanded to 160GB with a 132GB micro SD card for $40-50 with prices bound to fall further once micro SD cards with higher capacities are introduced to the market.

The above conversation proves that you don't have the thick skin that you want others to have, hence why bringing all of the above quotes into this thread has relevance to the topic at hand. If you had thick skin, someone telling you that you lack common sense wouldn't bother you much. If you had thick skin, someone laying out why your argument is flawed would make you say something along the lines of "You know, you are right. My argument was nonsensical." instead of lashing out for being proven wrong.

The above conversation also shows parallels to tbone's most recent ban. In tbone's case, Kerotan was the first one to point fingers, but only tbone faced consequences from the mod team. In the above conversation, you were the first one to say that someone lacks common sense, but I was the only one who faced consequences.

I remember that thread. He couldn't name a single 7th gen third party game that won't run without a 32GB install, but thank god such nonimportant things aren't enough to stop our friendly neighbour Aeolus from expressing his concern about poor Switch owners not being able to play 7th gen ports. Besides, there's no better place to start such a discussion than a Mario Odyssey thread.



Player2 said:
RolStoppable said:

 

 

 

 

 

There, I dug it all up, taken from this thread. The entire conversation between us can be read above. You mocked others for lacking common sense, then I told you that you aren't someone to talk about common sense. I addressed all of your points before you decided to abandon the argument and make it all personal. The reason why you abandoned the argument is clear to me: You realized how deeply flawed your reasoning was. I granted your argument the most generous variables, but still... who in their right mind would pay $350 for a 128GB Switch when a 32GB Switch costs $300 and can be expanded to 160GB with a 132GB micro SD card for $40-50 with prices bound to fall further once micro SD cards with higher capacities are introduced to the market.

The above conversation proves that you don't have the thick skin that you want others to have, hence why bringing all of the above quotes into this thread has relevance to the topic at hand. If you had thick skin, someone telling you that you lack common sense wouldn't bother you much. If you had thick skin, someone laying out why your argument is flawed would make you say something along the lines of "You know, you are right. My argument was nonsensical." instead of lashing out for being proven wrong.

The above conversation also shows parallels to tbone's most recent ban. In tbone's case, Kerotan was the first one to point fingers, but only tbone faced consequences from the mod team. In the above conversation, you were the first one to say that someone lacks common sense, but I was the only one who faced consequences.

I remember that thread. He couldn't name a single 7th gen third party game that won't run without a 32GB install, but thank god such nonimportant things aren't enough to stop our friendly neighbour Aeolus from expressing his concern about poor Switch owners not being able to play 7th gen ports. Besides, there's no better place to start such a discussion than a Mario Odyssey thread.

That was an attempt to "get me" when you and some of the others couldn't debate against the main thing i was talking about. it's like if I said a 200 gig HD wasn't big enough for a pc and that was my main point then people were like "well, what size HD is good enough, then". If I answer it wrongly in their mind then they would declare that they "got me" and my main point is somehow debunked because of something I did't even bring up originally as my main point. It's a typical debate tactic. *shrugs God forbid if someone try to suggest something that would help nintendo out. They acted like I was kicking puppies in there.



Has a moderator or former moderator ever been perma banned on vgchartz?



RolStoppable said:
Kerotan said:
Has a moderator or former moderator ever been perma banned on vgchartz?

Yes, on at least three occasions.

We want names.



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