With Microsoft's decision to stray into PC Gaming too I don't think they have much of an incentive to lose money on Hardware, if they cared that much about having a high installbase on Xbox over money then it'd still have exclusive games.

the question here is can scorpio justify the price tag? surely it will have games running at a higher resolution than PS4 Pro, but i doubt its games will run double the framerate. so if this things launches at 500 or 450. and the Pro gets price cut to 350$ and possibly a bundled game. will the difference in res be worth it?

PS4 Pro certainly produces sharp looking images, and checker boarding has proven to be a good technique. the difference between 4K native and 4k Checkboard is no where near the difference between 720p and 1080. could the 150$ price difference, and maybe a bundled game with the Pro, be justified by MS?

from a marketing technique, both consoles are using the "4k" tag, while MS are trying to use "true 4K" i dont think it will make such a big difference. 

Scorpio is looking better than I thought it would, from a hardware perspective.

Sony are going to have to give PS4pro a 50$ cut imo... its time to get it down to 349$.

A 150$ differnce in price should be enough for Sony to make people question if they should get one or the other.

You guys think Sony will have the PS4pro Slim ready for E3? with a lower price point?

It's about what many of us expected, which is enough for it to be worthy of praise in my opinion. I think the degree of disappointment some are feeling stems from the same place it did for some with the Pro: too much hype.

Price and marketing are what's going to matter now. MS need to slowly shift the message away from a discussion of raw power, to one of highly cost-effective power. If they can hit a $450 price point, i think it'll do well.

Doubt it. It hasn't even been a year since the pro launched. And I doubt they will even do a price drop cause they don't need to since the Scorpio will be priced higher at launch regardless. They will most likely bundle a game though.

$499 is a good price.

4k
Faster loading
BR 4k
Bigger HDD

It is not a hard sell
You can sell your XOne for 199, keep all your games and pay the same price as a Nintendo Switch.

$399 would be insane.

well the Pro stock situation is weird. It sells 5k every week in Japan, but seems MIA on a lot of online stores. Not sure how it is doing in stores, one of the verified guys on Neogaf said it was selling consistently but not at high levels

whether or not there is a Slim Pro ready for this year, I think Sony will start pushing it harder from around September. And it will be $350 with a game bundled in, maybe Horizon, and then two games for BF. They have great marketing rights again this year with Destiny 2, Red Dead, Battlefront 2 and Cod, so I think they will look to use them to push both consoles.

For anyone who values image quality to the degree i do, i'd say it's worth it even at $500. I wish Sony have followed a similar strategy for the Pro. I am overall happy with the Pro, i think it's well priced and the image quality bump is significant, but i'd happily have waited a year and paid an extra $100 for a more capable machine. Unfortunately the Scorpio isn't much use to me :(

For the average consumer, my guess is $450 should be the target. It's good hardware value at $500, but so is the Pro as $350. I can see plenty of people being willing to spend an extra $100 for a system marketed as "the most powerful ever", but $150 might be pushing it. If they can hit $400, the Scorpio is a strictly better value proposition hardware wise for even general gamers.

Its exactly what Microsoft said it would be.

It is a good price for what you're getting, but so is $350 for a Pro. I think $450 should be their target.