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Jazz2K said:
You gotta love how people are missing the point. It doesn't matter if Phil says this or if Sony is also guilty of it... what Phil says is true and it pisses off every fanbases. Keeping either games or content from other console owners is bad practice.

But ehh keep flaming, seems like that's the popular logic on VGC.

Yes paying money to keep games off a console is bad.

The only exclusives I think should exist are the ones that are funded by a platform owner and wouldn't be made otherwise.

But the reason Phil is rightfully getting criticized is because he's the head of a company that started this trend last gen, and still partakes in to this day.

And him copaining about it now when MS simply can't afford to get the deals they were able to last gen due to PS4 being the console most publishers want to align their games with just comes off as sour grapes. And that's exactly what it is.



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BMaker11 said:
jason1637 said:

Well you ignored what i said about Dead Rising 4. When it was announced we didnt know if it was timed or not.

Edit- Tomb raider was announced as timed exclusive at Squares Confrence.

Like I said, we have nothing but speculation regarding RotTR when it was announced, but all the signs point to it being multiplatform. Not under "blockbuster exclusives" on the Xbox site, but instead, coupled with multiplatform games. No "play it first on Xbox" at the end of the trailer, when they did it for all exclusive games, timed or permanent. 

Then, it was announced at Gamescom 2014 (not at a Square conference), 2 months after E3, that it was an Xbox exclusive. Proof

Then, it was clarified after the fact that the exclusivity "has a duration". Proof

Exclusivity doesn't get announced after the fact like that unless either A. a deal was recently made or B. the other platform's version is cancelled.

He's right!

 



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jason1637 said:
RidingMower said:

Phil got there March of 2014. You do know he's been in charge with it all from that date? Games from the 3rd month of 2014 and beyond. The Xb1 launched 129 days prior. Unless all these exclusives all magically happened within that short period. . .  FIFA, the latest Division, exc..

FIFA doesn't have exclusive Xbox content. The Division was announced to have Xbox early content E3 2013 before he took charge.


"Fallout 4 will let Xbox One owners in on the fun. Mods created can be shared and played for no additional charge on XB1. The implication seems to be that you can't design mods on Xbox One but even getting access to others' creations is a huge boon for Xbox."

This ones from the time of Phil.  



Wow, it's pretty much all I can say to this because I like not being moderated on VGchartz, but yeah... Wow.

(is that definitely his twitter and not a "CEO Kaz" type thing?)



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TheGreatOther said:
Jazz2K said:
You gotta love how people are missing the point. It doesn't matter if Phil says this or if Sony is also guilty of it... what Phil says is true and it pisses off every fanbases. Keeping either games or content from other console owners is bad practice.

But ehh keep flaming, seems like that's the popular logic on VGC.

Yes paying money to keep games off a console is bad.

The only exclusives I think should exist are the ones that are funded by a platform owner and wouldn't be made otherwise.

But the reason Phil is rightfully getting criticized is because he's the head of a company that started this trend last gen, and still partakes in to this day.

And him copaining about it now when MS simply can't afford to get the deals they were able to last gen due to PS4 being the console most publishers want to align their games with just comes off as sour grapes. And that's exactly what it is.

I'm sorry but history teaches us that MS didn't start that trend at all. Other companies have payed devs to keep games from appearing on other consoles.

Imo we all have a voice and instead of using it to make gaming better we use it to hate on each other. Phil is right and we all should make companies know that this needs to stop. Keeping Titanfall, Tomb Raider etc from Playstation frustrated Sony fans as much as keeping Street Fighter V, Destiny first year DLC etc pissed MS fans. He's right and gaming is not growing with these practices. I can't wait until gaming is a service and we just pay to play the games we want on whatever device we have.



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RolStoppable said:
Maybe this is a sign of things to come for the Xbox department. Their funds are getting cut by the higher-ups.

Doesn't have to be funds being cut, they might well have the same budget, but it's going to cost more to ask a company not to put their software on a console which has 50million units sold rather than at the start of the Generation asking for Dead Rising to remain on the X1/PC when both consoles had little sales as such the gap between them wasn't 20+ million units.



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Chazore said:
Slade6alpha said:
You should really put the whole twitter exchange up...

What he's overall saying isn't wrong, and people just jumping to conclusions as usual.

Seems to tbe the usual outcome on here. Spencer speaks up, guns pointed his way. Kaz or anyone else speaks up, pats on the back all around.

The other thing to note, is that the competition is just as bad with said practices and no one is chastising them for it, only Spencer since he spoke up. The insignificant excuse of "they started it first", has no power anymore, not when the competition is doing it in full swing.

Surely if you start to complain that a person starts to punch you in the head after you hit them in the arm first, I mean... who's fault is it that you're being punched in the head?

I'm not saying that either is right, but one of them complaining about the practice while both do it is just stupid looking imo.



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Chazore said:
Slade6alpha said:
You should really put the whole twitter exchange up...

What he's overall saying isn't wrong, and people just jumping to conclusions as usual.

Seems to tbe the usual outcome on here. Spencer speaks up, guns pointed his way. Kaz or anyone else speaks up, pats on the back all around.

The other thing to note, is that the competition is just as bad with said practices and no one is chastising them for it, only Spencer since he spoke up. The insignificant excuse of "they started it first", has no power anymore, not when the competition is doing it in full swing.

Pretty much this.



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RidingMower said:
jason1637 said:

FIFA doesn't have exclusive Xbox content. The Division was announced to have Xbox early content E3 2013 before he took charge.


"Fallout 4 will let Xbox One owners in on the fun. Mods created can be shared and played for no additional charge on XB1. The implication seems to be that you can't design mods on Xbox One but even getting access to others' creations is a huge boon for Xbox."

This ones from the time of Phil.  

1. PS4 doesn't have BC so adding BC to the Fallout 4 version isn't anti-consumer.

2. Mods weren't ready on PS4. Bethesda even delayed PS4 Mods and then Sony said no Mods until they only made it internal.



Jazz2K said:
TheGreatOther said:

Yes paying money to keep games off a console is bad.

The only exclusives I think should exist are the ones that are funded by a platform owner and wouldn't be made otherwise.

But the reason Phil is rightfully getting criticized is because he's the head of a company that started this trend last gen, and still partakes in to this day.

And him copaining about it now when MS simply can't afford to get the deals they were able to last gen due to PS4 being the console most publishers want to align their games with just comes off as sour grapes. And that's exactly what it is.

I'm sorry but history teaches us that MS didn't start that trend at all. Other companies have payed devs to keep games from appearing on other consoles.

Imo we all have a voice and instead of using it to make gaming better we use it to hate on each other. Phil is right and we all should make companies know that this needs to stop. Keeping Titanfall, Tomb Raider etc from Playstation frustrated Sony fans as much as keeping Street Fighter V, Destiny first year DLC etc pissed MS fans. He's right and gaming is not growing with these practices. I can't wait until gaming is a service and we just pay to play the games we want on whatever device we have.

Yes exclsuivity deals existed before last gen, but last gen was when they really became a huge part of games and MS lead the charge for that.

It's easy to pretend you're for the gamers when you have no choice since your higher ups won't give you the money to buy these deals, but we already seen where you really stand when you had the power to buy them.

You can see the same thing happening with MS pushing for cross platform play this gen since they have  the smallest online communities, while last gen they wanted nothing to do with it because they had the advantage when it came to online community numbers.

 

Again, not arguing against the fact that it would be better if these companies stopped wasting cash on keeping games off other consoles and instead used it to fund more games, or cross platform play would be great. But unless the company that's in control says it it means nothing. MS is only advocating for these things now because they would benefit them since they can't afford to pay for these deals, If next gen they are in the lead and still hold this view then we can praise them as of now they're just salty.