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Zkuq said:
bonzobanana said:
Don't forget to factor in the cartridges. It makes games more expensive and may limit 3rd party support for bigger games. I'm sure when it comes to downloadable games there will be massive support. I'm personally not worried at all. I think there will be a lot on offer. However I just can't see big ambitious games coming to Switch for obvious reasons so people will still need a ps4, pc or xbone.

Also don't forget the VR side of Switch. Lots of game possibilities there.

Aren't cartridges supposedly very cheap anyway, not much more expensive than optical media? Also, Switch it too weak to do anything really meaningful in VR, because it's way too weak even when docked, and it can't be docked when using VR. And that's all assuming the VR rumors are true (which I'm personally assuming are not because of the obvious technical challenges, although realistic graphics aren't necessarily required for VR which should help a good bit).

Cartridges aren't cheap. I've seen it stated on these forums but no data to back up those claims. Optical media costs pence/cents to make but cartridges are in dollars. We are talking of small runs of customised cartridges made by Macronix of Taiwan. This isn't comparable to SD card prices. Nintendo probably still has to pay something like $4 for a 64Gb(8GB) cartridge and that has a knock on effect to price as it goes through each stage to the retailers shelf. More importantly there is normally a minimum run of cartridges that can be produced. Maybe 50,000 and has to be paid for by the publisher which might be $10 each lets say so 1/2 million of investment in inventory on top of development costs. It just makes cartridges higher risk and higher price with less possibility of discounting.



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Don't worry about third party games, guys! I'm sure it'll at least have Just Dance and Lego.



                
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bonzobanana said:

Cartridges aren't cheap. I've seen it stated on these forums but no data to back up those claims. Optical media costs pence/cents to make but cartridges are in dollars. 

Are Blue-Ray discs that cheap to make too?

I´m not sure what exactly will be the type of cards used by the Switch... we know at least that they´re definetely not cartridges, but memory/flash cards instead. 



Rogerioandrade said:
bonzobanana said:

Cartridges aren't cheap. I've seen it stated on these forums but no data to back up those claims. Optical media costs pence/cents to make but cartridges are in dollars. 

Are Blue-Ray discs that cheap to make too?

I´m not sure what exactly will be the type of cards used by the Switch... we know at least that they´re definetely not cartridges, but memory/flash cards instead. 

blu-ray is cheap. Here in the UK you see naff films on blu-ray as low as £1 retail. Switch uses proprietory cartridges/cards similar to 3DS. Probably flash memory although I guess there is some sort of write protection in their design except for a small section for saves.

Whatever the cost of cartridges is much higher than optical media and has a knock on effect to publishers costs.



it'll get japanese third-pary support and that's the  one that matters to me



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If it doesn't get third party support it's because people don't buy the system or they don't buy the third party games.
PS2 was extremely underpowered for it's generation and one of the most difficult systems to develop for ever, yet it got much more third party support than the more powerful and simple to develop for competiting consoles (Gamecube and Xbox).



Here's the problem, for the most part, with 3rd party games on Nintendo consoles. They usually are late (ie. games you could have gotten years ago on another console), the downgraded version, and/or games that don't fit in with the gamers that tend to buy Nintendo.

The core Nintendo gamer doesn't care, they just want Nintendo games. However, that just plays directly into the idea that Nintendo consoles are not a broad enough platform for 3rd party developers to support over the long term, often ultimately leading to a significant chunk of the gaming community not buying Nintendo.



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Wright said:

Why do you generalize, though? My favourite games on Nintendo consoles tend to be third-party games

Yeah this. You can say nobody would buy for 3rd party games as much as you want, I'll say i wouldn't buy even a 50 dollar system for 1st party games as much as I want.



Some of my favorite games on N64 where third party.....



Vinther1991 said:

If it doesn't get third party support it's because people don't buy the system or they don't buy the third party games.
PS2 was extremely underpowered for it's generation and one of the most difficult systems to develop for ever, yet it got much more third party support than the more powerful and simple to develop for competiting consoles (Gamecube and Xbox).

Shhhhh stop talking sense. That's not allowed on forums