Of course they do. Not being tethered to the TV. The main selling point and the reason the Switch video was viewed 22m times on Youtube.

First, graphics don't matter, especially if the Switch is cheaper. Second, we know nothing about the Switch's online infrastructure. XBO has a better online than PS4. PS4 beat out XBO. No reason Switch's can't be better than what's come before on Nintendo platforms, and its free.

Switch can get a thriving userbase too and people can play with their friends on the Switch. I never understood this logic. We literally saw people drop Xbox for Playstation this generation, but people still think that people are that brand loyal that they'd never play on another platform. We literally see people switch from userbases of 80m to userbases of 3m during genrational jumps, but people think it can't happen with the Switch.

There was a combined installed base of 160m PS360 owners last gen, save for some overlap. We haven't even reached half of that yet, meaning there are potentially 85m consumers yet to upgrade, yet it's somehow unsurmountable that Switch can make that up when we've literally seen underdogs do it before against worse numbers with the PS4.

Here's a crazy thought: What if most of their friends buy/end up buying a Switch?

Better online infrastructure? Do you have the patents for the Switch online infrastructure?

The console with most of their friends? Did your friends recieve their Playstations and Xbox's before their release? 

Better graphics? Xbox seems to have pretty good third party support...

Ok sorry for being a little bit of a cocky smart ass.  But you get what I mean. That isn't an infallable argument, but there is some truth behind it. It really depends on HOW MUCH you're sacrificing with the Switch. We can sit here all day and talk about graphics, but what we do know is that for the first time in a long time Nintendo is using a "gimmick" that will benefit hardcore gamers and casual gamers alike. A gimmick that doesn't change the game or hell even the method of control. Something that is so perfect in that it's innovation is not innovating the console but it's portions. 

People are talking about the Switch a lot. It's a fact. As for Online infrastructure, we don't know. What i'm guessing is that online games are going to do worse on Switch, but RPGs are going to do fantastically. I'm also guessing indies will flock to switch. I'm a bit worried that the Switch is actually TOO powerful for some  of the exclusively DS developers, but they'll probably move to phones or still develop for switch at their own development risks. 

As it is though, if a port does 400k at least, it's still going to be a success on the Switch, considering how easy it is to port to. 

It never has before,  could be now. Probably won't, bud we don't know. 

Ok. And last generation how many consoles were sold total? Oh yea....about 260 Million. Forgot. 

Resolution wise maybe. we don't know. You aren't a developer. these are rumors.  I agree it might not, but it might. 

Why is it that so many Nintendo fans, in spite of hard facts, still jump on board the hype train, expecting Nintendo to actually release a competitive current gen system that can go toe to toe with the competition. Why do Nintendo fans, after so many disappointments,  think that Nintendo will change their ways and give Nintendo fans a machine they could be proud of. A machine that could get current gen third-party games that would be equal or superior to the other systems.

Even though I knew better, I found myself caught up in the hype and made many incorrect claims as to the power of the Switch. I said it would be close to Xbox One in performance. I said the Switch would get this generations third-party games.

I own a PS4, but I don't seem to get caught up in the Sony hype train. I knew No Mans Sky was going to be mediocre at best. Many Sony fans got burned on that game. 

I guess I am a responsible Sony fan and a totally out of control Nintendo fan.

Have any of you ever got pulled into the hype, flew too close to the sun, only to have your wings melt?

It's not impossible that Switch will have competitive online infrastructure, but it's not impossible that a solid gold meteorite will land in your backyard tonight either. It's just extremely unlikely.

actually no it's not. 

I think something we all have to remember is that what we're hearing *confirmed* from developers, people who've seen the switch, and even Nintendo themselves - is that everything is built around ease of use, while also not scaling back the GAME for the sake of the gimmick. 

Developers love developing for the Switch. Nintendo themselves said newer blood in their company developed it. Even if the specs are bad, the fact is that Nintendo is probably developing it a lot like their handheld line, very cheap devices that are fun enough for them to drive prices high up. The specs for the switch are probably disappointing because Nintendo is developing it like a handheld, but everything else - the support for third parties, the love nintendo is getting from third parties, the newer blood developing the hybrid - all much more like a console. 

Back when the Wii U was approaching launch, there was positive buzz about that too, about how easy it was to develop for and such.

I'm not saying all is lost, it could still work out well for the Switch, I'm just saying that it's probably best to keep our expectations in check to avoid disappointments.

No. No one ever said it was "easy to develop for" for it's engine support or for it's OS or for it's scalability - they said it because it was a powerful system that was more powerful than the Playstation and Xbox 360. It was a lie, yes, but they weren't exactly stating a complete non truth, it WAS more powerful it just wasn't easy to develop for because so. 

I'm pretty sure that developers saying "Nintendo switch is easy to develop for because it supports all modern engines, has scalability, exclusive Nvidia technologies, and has a less taxing OS" isn't a marketing ploy by Nintendo and their supporters. None of that speaks to casual consumers like talk of "POWERFUL GRAPHIX" do. 

You aren't saying all is lost but i think you're also being a little bit ingenous. You're saying your just doing it for disappointments sake but you're complaining ENTIRELY. I've complained a lot on this forumn but there's a positive and negative balance and you're leaning so negatively that it's hard to believe you're doing it so no one is disappointed. People are already so disappointed, if anything i excpect people to be surprised come january 12th. 

I think you're massively overestimating the appeal of Switch. Console type games on the go was tried with the Vita, it's not a big selling point.

Switch stands with one foot in the console red ocean and another in the mobile red ocean. It can't beat its competitors in either, so it's best shot is to try to just carve out enough of a share of the two to scrape by.